Politics Bernie vs Biden!

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  1. oldfisherman

    oldfisherman Unicorn Wrangler

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    I 100% support Biden's promise to pick a women as his VP. There are several good candidates. However, E. Warren should not be on his list. She is NOT VP material.

    Warren's behavior during the debates was arrogant. She showed contempt for the process by refusing to answer questions. Warren disrespected the voters by rambling on about what ever topic came to her mind.

    During the debates, I kept thinking. If one of her university students refused to answer her questions, and talked about a completely different topic, she would fail that student. So Warren gets a failing grade from me. Warren came off looking like a dingbat, not a politician.
     
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    Reportedly Biden plans to pick from among women who were presidential candidates. If so that let's out Stacey Abrams, Val Demings, and governors of Michigan and New Mexico, all considered possible. I think we can say not Marianne Williamson or Tulsi Gabbard. So Senators Gillebrand, Harris, Klobuchar, Warren.
     
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    My money is on Warren. It felt like strategic posturing when she started distancing herself from Sanders towards the end. She also has the most potential to pick up Sanders voters. One of Hillarys biggest mistakes was picking Kaine, that went a long way in alienating the Sanders bloc.
     
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    Of all the women who ran, I think Gillibrand is probably closest to him in terms of how he'd govern. But I don't think Gillibrand has the cache that he'd want. Warren would make some strategic sense if we think she'd attract disaffected Sanders fans (I think that's possible, but I'm not convinced she would--I have some friends who are incredibly passionate Sanders fans and they had little interest in Warren). Kamala Harris would make sense for the reasons that she seemed like a good fit as a Presidential candidate--her identity, style and contrast between her job (theoretically working for the state to lock people up) and her professed liberal ideals could give her credibility with a lot of disparate factions.

    The strategic problem with both Harris and Warren is that they come from extremely blue regions of the country, so don't necessarily help widen the electoral map. From that perspective, Klobuchar would make the most sense as a popular Midwestern senator. Of course, the Midwest is a place Biden is supposed to already be strong and it's also highly debatable whether running mates from a region really make a huge difference in winning that region.

    I'd probably also see Warren as the favorite, but I think Harris is also very likely.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Why this continued infatuation with Hillary?
     
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    My money if I had any would be on Klobuchar or Harris. Klobuchar is closest politically and from a swing state. But still leaves an all white ticket. Harris checks that box, and while California is very blue, it narrowly went for Sanders. I don't think Warren, she's from same region of the country, she's 70, and she would not win Sanders supporters who for the most part think she "took" votes from him.
     
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    Because in addition to "fake news", Hillary/Obama is often the "go to" response for Trump and many of his followers.
     
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    Harris and maybe Gillebrand, make the most sense to me, but Demings might be a smarter move as well...in addition to being an intelligent black female, she also might help Biden to flip Florida.
     
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    It's pandering. Just like mayor pete did with the food he ate.
    Pick the most qualified. Who gives a shit about gender. I certainly don't. Saying you're going to pick a x gender or x race to be your VP is 100% pandering.
    Warren during her campaign showed herself to be less than qualified to be president. Does that mean she'd be a unqualified VP? Don't know.
     
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    ^^^call it pandering if you want, but getting elected is always the main goal. So Biden picking someone who can actually help the ticket is priority one. As far as being qualified, who do you see as better viable VP choices other than the females who've been mentioned?
     
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    Because, she's always hanging around. Why the Hulu documentary on the women? She's an American enigma. She's an American icon. She's, well, Hillary *shrug*
     
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    She's only relevant because people of your ilk are still trying to make her relevant.
     
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    Who is the most qualified then? What makes them the most qualified? What makes Warren unqualified? All of those questions seem to be opinions. Picking a candidate that improves your ticket and increases the vote count is strategic not pandering.
     
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    Why? Kaine is totally bland and non-offensive. I suppose you mean because she didn't pick Bernie himself? No one would ever pick Bernie as a VP.

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    I think he is saying that picking someone who didnt appeal to Bernie voters was a mistake. She would have done better to have a running mate that appealed to the more progressive side of the party.
     
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    Couldnt agree more, but its what politicians do well!
     
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    My money is on Amy Klobuchar as she would help with WI, MI, Ohio, and she's more moderate and blue collar.
     
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    I don't think Sanders voters will come out in big numbers.
     
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    Does anyone appeal to Bernie voters except Bernie? Who in 2016 would have worked?

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    Its strategically pandering.
     

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