OT Georgia GOP: Allowing People To Vote Will Be Devastating to Republicans

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  1. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I'm not sure I understand your confusion. Democracy has never required the entire population to be "smart people." That's not even possible, if we assume "smart" to mean "above average intelligence." In any sizeable population, some people will be above average, some average and some below average. A say in politics isn't predicated on intelligence. The assumption is that everyone has their own issues, problems, concerns and ideas--whether smart or dumb, rich or poor, old or young--and that we want that diversity of opinion brought to bear either on the issues (in a direct democracy) or in picking our elected leaders (in a representative democracy).
     
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    You assumed by me saying I don't think anyone in this forum is equipped to be a good coach or GM in the NBA, that I think they aren't intelligent? That's you projecting your thoughts into what I say. I certainly realize I am not in a position of knowledge to coach or be a GM for an NBA team, just like I couldn't step into your job and you wouldn't have been able to just jump into my profession before I retired. Thinking someone isn't qualified to do a particular job has nothing to do with intelligence as they are not even closely attached. Voting is a given right. Coaching or being an NBA gm requires an immense amount of knowledge and training which isn't required to be able to vote.

    Sorry tbf, but you are blowing this way out of proportion.
     
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    Maybe because it's just your position and not something that everyone else agrees with.

    I don't see the two parties spending a lot of time suppressing third parties. The two-party system has been baked into the cake since the civil war era, it's not something that anyone needs to actively maintain. I would venture a guess that the two major parties hardly ever spare even a thought for the third parties, except to blame them when a close election goes against them.

    No one I know gives a shit who the Libertarian party nominee will be this year, or the Green party, or any other minor party. I don't hear you mentioning anyone that you hope wins those nominations, or that you hope doesn't, etc. I'd be happy to discuss them (from a position of ignorance, but that's never stopped me before), but I sense that you don't really care about the particular candidates, you just want to lodge protest votes?

    barfo
     
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    https://psmag.com/news/how-states-are-blocking-a-third-party-run
    https://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0229.htm
    Republican and Democrat judges decided this.

    DISCRIMINATION BETWEEN MAJOR AND MINOR PARTIES

    The Court has held that a state can seek to encourage political stability and help preserve the two-party system. States may enact “reasonable elections regulations that may, in practice, favor the traditional two parties” and “that temper the destabilizing effects of party-shattering and excessive factionalism” (Timmons v. Twin Cities Area New Party, 520 U.S. 351, 367 (1997)). States may not prevent third parties from forming, but they “need not remove all of the many hurdles third parties face in the American political arena” (Id. at 366 & n.10).

    Other Cases

    The Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals held that a California law requiring political parties to nominate candidates by direct primary rather than convention did not violate the Libertarian Party's freedom of association. The court concluded that the state's interest in enhancing the democratic character of the election process overrode whatever interest the party had in designing its own rules for candidate nomination (Lightfoot v. Eu, 964 F.2d 865 (9th Cir. 1992)).

    On the other hand, the Supreme Court has invalidated restrictions so substantial that it was “virtually impossible” for new or minor parties to gain access to the ballot. The Ohio law that was struck down in the case required parties to obtain 15% of the vote in the last gubernatorial election, among other severely restrictive requirements, to gain ballot access. Ohio argued that its law served various compelling interests, including political compromise and stability, electoral fairness and integrity, and an orderly election process. But the Court responded that “the Ohio system does not merely favor a 'two-party system'; it favors two particular parties—the Republicans and the Democrats—and in effect tends to give them a complete monopoly” (Williams v. Rhodes, 393 U.S. 23, 24, 32 (1968)).

    I know of third party candidates who are running that information is easy to come by, and I haven't chosen which one I'm going to vote for yet.
     
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    Just don't vote.
     
  6. Chris Craig

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    Vote and vote often
     
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    nah. voting is mad lame, yo.
     
  8. Chris Craig

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    VOTER SUPPRESSION!!!

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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    If nobody knew who I was and we created some bogus resume and I got hired in Stotts' place, only the players would know I had no experience. Give me a few weeks of studying so I knew more than basic zone defense and pick and roll and shit like that and they probably wouldn't know.

    Give Stotts a text book on my job or most of your jobs and he'd be screwed. He couldn't do it for shit.

    Trump could be an NBA coach tomorrow.
     
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    Well, if you want to get into court decisions we disagree with, I have a very very long list myself.

    Ok. You can keep it a secret if you want. Didn't mean to pry.

    barfo
     
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    lol, well I liked Gary Johnson, so far Jacob Hornberger is winning the Libertarian primaries. If he wins I'll probably vote for him.
     
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    LMFAO! Is this more of your satire?
     
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    My point is though that Republican and Democratic judges and the parties do in fact spend more time than you alluded too keeping competition at bay.
     
  16. bodyman5000 and 1

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    Lol. No. I've coached basketball before.

    There isn't jack shit in basketball that you couldn't learn from a book in a few weeks.

    His job is telling the players when they get to play and calling timeouts (which he is shitty at by the way) and structuring a basic system.

    I can tell Damian and CJ to shoot
     
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    Put your peewee basketball coaching experience on a resume and send it in. I'm sure the Blazer brass would like a good laugh. I coached 3.5 years of youth soccer and the team only lost one game in those 3 seasons. I think I'm ready to manage an Englsih Premier League team. :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

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    You're closer to being able to do that than you are my job. Like most things you speak of, you have no idea what I do.

    50 emojis don't make you seem funnier in case you were wondering.
     
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    Can I have the GM job too? I can gurantee you I would have drafted Giannis Antetokounmpo instead of a B minus Dame clone.
     
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    So you are not a bodyman?

    barfo
     
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