OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. EL PRESIDENTE

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    Meanwhile, nearly 1/2 a million people came into the US from China via air flights.
     
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  4. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    That's from New Years Eve.

    So....his travel ban reduced the number of travelers by 90%? Nice.
     
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    Yes, and when were they stopped?
     
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  7. EL PRESIDENTE

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    Looks like February 2nd with enhanced screening beginning Jan 17th. First case in US surfaced Jan 21st.

    Exceptions were US Citizens and places like Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Macau.
     
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    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/22/trump-never-actually-banned-flights-from-china-or-/


    Trump never actually banned flights from China or Europe. Why?


    On Saturday, Italy announced that 793 people had died that day from COVID-19, the coronavirus that originated in China that has rapidly spread across the world. That was up from 627 deaths that had occurred on Friday and 427 on Thursday. The death toll is now well over 5,000 in that country alone.

    Also on Saturday, two Alitalia flights took off from Rome’s Leonardo da Vinci International Airport and landed at New York’s JFK Airport.

    Feb. 24, meanwhile, was China’s deadliest day from COVID-19; if Beijing’s possibly suspect statistics are to be believed, 149 people died from the coronavirus on that day. That afternoon, an Air China 777 arrived at JFK after a 13-hour flight from Beijing. The following day, Los Angeles International Airport welcomed flights from both Beijing and Shanghai.

    That the Trump administration “banned flights,” “closed the borders,” or “stopped flights” from first China and later the European Union to halt the spread of COVID-19 has become a staple of its defense of its response to the pandemic. But it simply isn’t true. At no time through the course of this awful period have flights even once been halted between either China and the U.S. or Europe — including even Italy — and the United States.

    The Trump administration did impose travel restrictions between China and the U.S., and later Europe and the U.S., but both actions have loopholes large enough to fly a 777 through. In the case of China, on Jan. 31 — weeks after it was known that the coronavirus was a serious problem — the administration restricted travel for “foreign nationals who had been in China in the last 14 days.”

    That means that Americans — just as capable as carrying and transmitting a contagious viral infection as foreigners — had free passage between China and the U.S. And so daily flights between China and the U.S. continued. (And yes, even these limited restrictions were slammed as being too punitive at the time.)

    The Trump administration’s alleged Europe travel ban, announced to much fanfare earlier this month, is similarly weak. It too exempts Americans from any restrictions whatsoever, and the screening that returning Americans have been subjected to at airports has been laughably weak. Passengers have been given a form to fill out (which many travelers have reported aren’t even being collected), waved through immigration, and then simply urged to self-quarantine. It’s like the honor system, but for containing a deadly pandemic.

    Why did the Trump administration impose flight restrictions so flaccid and loophole-ridden that they were useless to stop the spread? I tried for days to get an on-the-record comment describing and defending the policy from the State Department, but yielded nothing. Nor would anyone from the Health and Human Services Department, which announced the China restrictions in the first place, respond to multiple requests for comment.

    With officialdom refusing to defend the policy, I turned to Michael Doran, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute who has praised the Trump administration. Mr. Doran, it turned out, had mistakenly believed there was a total flight ban with China until I corrected him.
     
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    Yes, US Citizens are allowed to come back from affected countries.
     
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    Sounds to me like more than just US citizens were allowed to fly and what precautions were taken to ensure that none of these people were carrying the virus? Obviously not enough. It doesn;t do any good to allow US citizens back into the states without the proper testing and isolation protocol. That's on trump. He talks a big game but is minor league compared to most leaders.
     
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    It seems that it still effected a 90% drop in travelers coming from China.

    90% is better than 0%. I'm not sure that others would have enacted such a drastic travel ban.

    I do agree that the TSA and ICE really dropped the ball with screening passengers coming back into the country. Should have forced all travelers into isolation in hotels or facilities for 14 days upon arrival into the country.
     
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    It probably was not as responsible for the drop as was the airlines cancelling their flights.

    However, if your point is that it's not true that Trump did absolutely nothing in the face of the crisis, we can agree.

    He took one half-ass action.

    barfo
     
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    There is a correlation.
     
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    Correlation does not imply causation.

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    Trump enacts travel restrictions.

    Airlines react by cutting flights due to such restrictions.

    Its really not that hard to see what's going on.
     
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    Where do you get 90% from this?
     
  18. EL PRESIDENTE

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    400k travelers since NYE.

    40k since Trump enacted his "travel ban".

    Not an exact calculation, but its significant to that degree.
     
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    Trump still wants church's packed on Easter.
     
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    link?
     

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