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He denied there was a problem? He shut down travel from China way back in January.....and was called racist and xenophobic among other things whilst people like DeBlasio were not closing down such a densley populated city like NY and telling people it wasn't a big deal. I'm not excusing Trump....but seeing the whole picture rather than just pointing out his mistakes and/or pretty much blaming him for everything.

 

holy shit!!...about the 873rd time it's been mentioned that Trump closed travel from China (when he really didn't, did he)

so, a pitcher gives up 13 runs in the first inning, then strikes out a batter, then allows 7 more runs before closing the inning. He give up 17 more runs in the 2nd inning without retiring a batter....and all his fans can talk about is what a great pitcher he is because of that strike out. Ignore the 37 runs the other team has on the board, that's fake news....just focus on that great strike-out

 

I think Trump (and really most government leaders, local and foreign as well) have handled this poorly. That said I think this is a very complicated situation and it's going to be extremely difficult to gauge how many people lost their lives that wouldn't have if he did something different. How many people die from the tanked economy, How many people would have died with more drastic measures, how many would have died with none.
I never get much of a response to this but I think some of the more drastic measures people are asking for and have asked for would cost people their lives as well.
I am not at all saying we can't criticize Trump, if I was in charge I believe I would've handled this much differently than he did, but I don't know if they would have been better or not.

 

Well, at least Trump can't be blamed for teaching anything other than the hard lessons of doing business with him.

 

All we need to do is look at the results in California which was first to issue shelter at home vs Lousiana, NY, MI etc... - despite the fact that California had some of the earliest cases and has some of the most dense areas in the country - it did the shelter in place early, it started building it's ventilator and PPE supplies - and all you need to do is look at the number of infections and death overall and more specifically, number of those per number of residents. The proof is out there for everyone to see - there is no "could have been worse" if you actually look at a proper, early, decisive response.

There is no avoiding this completely - but there is also no doubt that proper leadership and decisive action saved tons of lives.

 

There are things he (or anyone) could have improved on, especially with hindsight. There are things he has done well. I enjoy my conversations with people who have enough of an open mind to see some of both.

Enjoy....

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/fiv...-the-coronavirus-looks-relatively-contained-2

 

I see some of both...so my mind is relatively "open".

1. I will admit that Trump did eventually act.

2.I also realize that Trump didn't act nearly as quick as he could/should have, which will result in countless more people dying, perhaps some of us.

He's also predictably made this about him and has politicized this pandemic at nearly every turn.

 

I will be frank with you - I am not sure what to do with your lol comment or not typical job experience comments.

You are the one that compared Trump's non-existent medical knowledge to Obama's real, actual, proper experience in multiple levels of government - that comment is still absurd - lol is correct, but not the way you think it should be used.

One of them had years of experience, went up the different levels of government before running for president. The other is listening to the voices in his head or fox-news and parroting unsubstantiated scientific facts while the experts at his side repeatedly say that this is something that needs to be properly vetted.

 

Yup, both Kudlow and Conway are Trump's people and naturally toe the line.............."alternate facts".

 

Yes, but look at suicide calls and suicide deaths in California since the stay at home order, they've gone up. Do you count those people's deaths?

Do you count all the people who lost their jobs, and will have very lasting effects from that, suicide is much more likely amongst the unemployed. Suicide is just one effect of these type of measures too. I have family members who are weeks late getting refills on medication (one has some serious health issues too). Yeah it may have slowed down the spread of the disease though population density and climate of NY is much, much different than California.

The proof is out there that Coronavirus is not the only thing that can kill someone, and that measures taken to reduce one thing can and most likely will make other risks higher. I am not at all saying that Trumps response has been good, or that measures shouldn't be put in place, I am saying that IMO people have to acknowledge that it's not as easy do these things and everyone is saved.

 

So he kind of shut down flights from China, even though thousands were able to fly to the USA and tests weren't done to see if any were contagious. All it takes is one to start an epidemic and all it takes is a president that thinks it will just disappear to let it spread throughout the USA. There were a lot of mistakes made by this administration and we STILL don't have the ability to test all people that should be tested.

 

This has been my biggest issue with Trump's response. No real plan seems to be involved. He gets up in front of a camera every day just spouting whatever, this has been him trying to get re-elected. Senate and House are trying to get re-elected as well. Trump has said a lot but done a horrible job at communicating anything worthwhile.

 

Do you have any proof that the increase in suicide calls is a direct relation to closing the state down or is it because of fear of getting the corona virus?

 

I do not have this data. Can you tell me where I can see it?

For the record, a week or so ago I think I saw that during the Pandemic Covid-19 deaths in NY per week were just behind heart related issues which is normally the #1 cause of death. Suicide is not even in the top-10 - so even if you double it - it would be a much smaller loss of life compared to what is happening from this disease (it's a horrible thing to say, but we are discussing efficiency here). I am certain that there are repercussions for everything we do - but I am going to go with Occam's Razor - when you have an obvious large immediate problem - you start by concentrating on it and deal with the smaller problems later.

We have seen that the rest of the country is getting into shelter in place anyway - so the same effects are clearly going to be everywhere - so the argument is - we should do it later instead of immediately so more people will die of Covid-19 and later deal with the same issues?

Also remember, because we do not know that there are carriers that infect people - by hitting it early and limiting the number of carriers that infect others - it is very likely that the recovery time will be faster and at least partial normalcy can resume faster - so again, early action is better.

 

Made a slight adjustment.

 

I don't get how many of his followers can still support him...I mean WTF does it take for the light bulb to finally turn on? I can understand GOP members not wanting anyone with far left views but how they choose to follow THIS particular malignant dwarf of a human being is mind-numbing...geeez, get someone else...hell, I might even vote for them myself.