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But see that's the thing about freedom bro. You cant deny it for any reason or there is never a clear line drawn.

People are free to be stupid (If people don't wake up though, this could be our downfall), but you cant take that away or whats next? Where do you draw the line on putting a halt to stupid behavior? What you and I see as stupid behavior, they may see as a risk worth taking to ensure their rights are intact. rights that those before them gave their lives for them to do so.

Its the same thing with the race card and Dviss and I go round around bout this often.


Unfortunately, in order for him to have the freedom to say he hates the KKK, they must be allowed the freedom to say what they want. Agree or disagree, freedoms and liberties must be universal, or it will never work. There will always be a sect who will feel on the outside and not treated fairly, and possibly justifiably so.

The bi product of free speech is hate speech.

the bi product of freedom of the press is porn.

the bi product of the right to bear arms is gun waiving lunatics in the picture being posted in here.

You aren't going to get one without the other.

The alternative is going to a form of dictatorship, which has NEVER worked in history. In fact dictators and monarchys led, in part, to the creation of this country and the freedoms it was founded on.

We are disconnected from how life used to be prior to the creation of this country and the freedom and liberty it has provided its people (there is a race card that could be discussed, obviously, but this is about the original intent)

Its trying times no doubt about it, but we must not forget what has given us the ability to even discuss this over the web. Our freedom and liberty. Try discussing this in N.K. I know their internet is limited, are they even allowed to discuss things online with each other and if they are i bet its heavily monitored.

Freedom of speech is nothing to take lightly and just pull from people at a whim. Freedom of the press isn't either. Why I share my frustrations with Mags. Being a reporter should be like being a teacher. One of the highest honors not to be taken lightly similar to a judge.

 

No booze? Fuck that I ain’t coming over.

 

Wait. Did you just put coke all over your brother? Whichever coke it was, I hope you have a straw either way!

Still sounds a little to kinky for me though...

 

100%

 

Couldn’t of said it any better.

 

I long for the days when the three branches had equal power. Trump doesn’t give a shit anymore about those types of things.

 

It’s been long before Trump when they haven’t had equal power. I 100% agree.

 

Anne Frank wasn't a prisoner. She was in hiding. She became a prisoner after she was caught.

 

prisoner
[ˈpriz(ə)nər]
NOUN
prisoners (plural noun)

1. a person legally held in prison as a punishment for crimes they have committed or while awaiting trial.
   "a prisoner serving a life sentence"
   synonyms:
   convict · inmate · trusty · jailbird · con · lifer · (old) lag · yardbird · transport
   • a person captured and kept confined by an enemy, opponent, or criminal.
     "200 rebels were taken prisoner" · 
     prisoner of war · POW · hostage · captive · detainee · internee
   • a person who is or feels confined or trapped by a situation or set of circumstances.
     
     

 

Listen., As a friend If you use Zoom. be careful. Its been tagged with serious security issues. People logging into families homes and watching their kids and stuff. Not good reports on them at all.

Until its verifiably fixed, id steer clear.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/zoom-video-conferencing-feature-freeze-security-flaws/

 

There are no constitutional scholars posting here that's for damn sure.

my guess is if stay at home orders were actually unconstitutional and limiting public gatherings was unconstitutional, there would already be hundreds of civil suits filed. I haven't heard of any but maybe I have missed the news

funny how self-righteous "conservatives" get about people possibly losing a right to go to church or pack around an assault weapon, but are just fine with millions of minorities and democratic voters being dis-enfranchised from their right to vote. Funny how much they love a couple of amendments while being willing to ignore many others

 

The first amendment has never been completely unrestricted. The famous example is that you don't have the protected right to yell "Fire!" in a crowded area when there is no fire. You don't have freedom of speech to make threats. In general, your rights end when they abridge other people's rights or the safety of the community. So when there's a pandemic that spreads in the community when people gather, the first amendment isn't being violated when gatherings (for religious reasons or any other) are banned.

 

I didn't forget it at all

I didn't say I was going to turn off my powers of observation or not comment on stuff I see. And please tell me what was so 'low-blow' about what I said. Again, there are no constitutional scholars posting here that I see...that includes me. Where are all the lawsuits challenging stay at home orders if they were such a blatant violation of the 1st amendment?

and being cynical, one of the observations I'll make is I don't think it's a coincidence that this thread gets filled with a sudden concern about the 1st amendment shortly after trump starts calling for liberating states from stay at home orders.

 

Not low blow, but didn't you call bullshit on me for using the word libs? I think those were your exact words? "I call bullshit?" I could be mixing your posts up., but I know you came at me.
Im just saying you went off on me and yet here you are with generalization with a broad brush..."conservatives..."

If you are going to walk the line of that is bad, then why are you doing it yourself? So when I say be better, I mean we could be steadier. Here you are doing the very thing you scolded me for the other day.

 

Don’t agree with the “fire” often used analogy. This is the judge’s statement on that matter:

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote that “the most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic.”

 

you posted something I decided to delete, and did delete almost immediately...did you notice that?

I also remember saying that I was aiming to be less confrontational...I never said I would always hit that target

 

Lot of editing just happened. If you did it, fair enough.

 

I'd think gathering during a pandemic could loosely fall under the "causing panic" under the assumption its causing potential harm to many others.

There's also the technology aspect to consider. I think in new Mexico where a court ruled against a challenge by a church because they were still allowed virtual gatherings. So their 1st amendment rights to gather werent actually denied.