OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

The fog has absolutely set in and the goal posts have withered from site.

 

Runny nose, coughing, nasal congestion, sore throat........
I have these symptoms from April-July EVERY YEAR! It's called hay fever and it's hitting me hard right now!

 

And the doubt only keeps climbing as this administration deals mostly in fantasy than real time data. You would think after all these briefings we would think we would be more informed than less.

 

And on the flip side trump is using these briefings to push his agenda rather than to inform or comfort the people. So far he has failed on all accounts.

 

i see that you or someone has edited your original post to remove the accusation of my "pissing" on the memory of the victims of the holocaust. if you reread my original post and the edits you took offense with, note that i said "worry about an equivalence". i never stated there was one worthy of consideration, but that someone might see one there, as the beginnings of state sponsored control of targeted individuals from a group with similar demographics. period, no trivialization, no antisemitism and certainly no offense intended. that you saw one is an unintended consequence of the wording, should have inserted potential equivalence.
i will apologize to you though with certain umbrage.
i take offense with your reply as it WAS intended to offend, as well as vulgar to boot. if you would search out my posts on here or anywhere else, you will not find any antisemitism in them anywhere.

 

My feelings as I've alluded to in other threads is that daily press briefings convolute whatever message he's trying to give and make it worse. I think if I were the leader and I were to shut down things over this it would have looked much different (I don't know if it would have been better or worse). I would have had the CDC health officials release a statement containing mostly statistics, and research being done, and what our plans looked like (daily). I would not have done press conferences every 24 hours. I would have done one every 2 weeks. The first part to go over what research and data we had found from the last 2 weeks. If that data has made it so our goals and plans have changed. Then do a Q & A with reporters and let my 'experts' handle much of the Q & A. I think that is the appropriate response to a shut/slow down of the country. I don't know if I would have shut down the country or not, probably at least for a short time in march with the "goal" of we don't know much about this, we need to know more, how dangerous it is, how contagious it is, work at treatments, etc. With how things have gone though, I feel like the goalposts have been all over and I'm not sure their even set up right now, and I do have a ton of questions, really for both the "open it up right now", and the "close it down til we have a vaccine" sides and many in between.

 

Sorry. My response brought in two quotes. I was referring to where I quoted Cup.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...-pushing-trump-on-a-covid-19-plan/ar-BB13h12G

The Secret Group of Scientists and Billionaires Pushing Trump on a Covid-19 Plan
maybe some adults in the conversation after all.

 

What's that little bitty thing down in the area of the crotch? Looks like that would get in the way of my gigantic dong.

 

Reward versus risk has to be in play. Its the American way as many generations before us had to risk much along the way. This is terrible and the effect has been very sad, but we have to also affect a positive outcome for people to get back to some sort of normalcy and productivity. My hope is we improve and learn from this catastrophe that we can be better prepared down the road.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...ld-trump-disinfectants-coronavirus/index.html

Trump said he takes no responsibility for any spike in people using disinfectants improperly

 

if you're interested this website has a lot of data in sort-able categories, including hospitalizations:

http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

here is Tenn. in terms of the Covid positive per 1 million curve:



compared to Oregon:



now, that is only part of the puzzle, and you can get more data, by states, here:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

when you go there you see that Tenn, has tested 23,531 people per 1 million compared to Oregon at 12,543 per million. Advantage Tenn. except that Oregon has tested 21.7 people for every positive compared to Tenn. at 15.6. I'm not really sure which is a better gauge

going back to the 1st site, you can sort for hospitalizations. Tenn, has 121 people hospitalized per million. Oregon has 129.5. That seems to give Tenn, an advantage except that I read, somewhere, in the last couple of days that Oregon counts covid patients in nursing homes while Tenn. doesn't. If that's true I don't know

 

Oregon C-19 data 4/27

Check out the demographics and extra data portions.

Oregon Health Authority | COVID-19 Updates

 

What about hospitalizations and ICU beds need?

 

well, I don't collect data, and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn (aren't they closed)

one problem is it is so hard to add relevant context because either the data is scattered all over the place, or simple not available

all these states opening early are flying blind. I think small population/large area states like Montana and Alaska probably have decent context behind the decisions to relax restrictions, but they are still taking a little bit of risk

states like Georgia and Texas are taking much bigger risks, and I think they are taking dumb risks because of politics

at the same time, the credibility of of experts has taken a bit of a hit because only a month or so ago, they were all saying there was going to be a massive ventilator shortage...that never materialized. They pretty obviously didn't account for the cooperation of people to stay at home orders, maybe overestimated the severity of covid and the resultant need for ventilators, and didn't anticipate plenty of hospitals determining that intubation was not always the best treatment. But that's the nature of an evolving crisis

 

There were a lot of mistakes early on. I think the ventilator settings in the beginning weren’t set right, causing more harm than good.