OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. RipCityDSCPL

    RipCityDSCPL Could be worse, at least it's not Lonzo.

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  2. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    Maybe you should go back and reread what has been said...I never once said anything about "incompetence", ...that was you alone. But if you like, feel free to show where I did.

    All I said was Tennessee had not yet flattened the curve, and they certainly had not followed guidelines for reopening...I even provided the bar graph that clearly showed that though they had previously been doing well, they had a large 5 day in row spike and again had not followed guidelines of waiting 14 days to reopen.

    You then arbitrarily claimed my graph was "baseless", which it wasn't because it only showed "new cases" and you pointed to only "new hospitalizations" at that time as the true barometer. And I then pointed out that it stands to reason that if new cases had once again spiked it would also mean that new hospitalizations would also eventually spike.
     
  3. Orion Bailey

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    10% of 100 = 10

    10% of 1000 = 100

    Just because the second has a higher qty, doesn't mean there was an increase in the percentage...........


    Math people.....
     
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  4. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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  5. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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  6. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Re-reading is a good recommendation. You might notice what I actually said about incompetence, which of us first responded to the other, and which assertions of yours I actually disputed.
     
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    Im all for addressing the virus in a govern way until we get a vaccine or therapy to treat. To put things in perspective with area's that we could have more control over, 647K people die each year from heart disease each year! 480 thousand die from smoking each year, that alone in over a million deaths each year! And if it was priority or a great cultural concern we have ways to flatten the curves there too.
    Even drug overdose's each year should be enough to take drastic measures to address. If we could isolate people from smoking or drug use (and we could) think of the annual lives saved.
    My own family doctor states that we'd have better control over other health hazards, if it were a priority and not a money maker for industries.
     
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    HailBlazers RipCity

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    lol, how many times are you going to post this same link in different threads? I guess desperate times call for desperate measures. Noticed you didn:t comment on my link about trump and epsteins fued that lead to their falling out. Didn't fit your agenda? :cleanup:
     
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  11. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Just like the ventilators, they will start having to ignore testing.
     
  12. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    You may have "disputed" my assertion, but you certainly did not disprove it.
     
  13. magnifier661

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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    Who used "percentages"?
     
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    Example using simple round numbers to show how an increased percentage of total cases form one day to the next does not always equate to an increased number of cases. IN fact the percent of new cases can decrease WHILE the total percent of all cases rises......This is deceiving and makes it look like the disease is still on the rise, when its actually on the decline.

    Day 1:
    Current positive cases per million = 10,000
    Tested 1000 people, 100 positive results = 1% positive

    Day 2:
    Current positive cases per million = 10,100 = 1% increase from day 1.
    Tested 10,000 people, 200 positive results = .5% positive, down from day 1 with increased testing

    Day 3: Current positive cases per million = 10,300 = JUST under a 2% increase from Day 2.


    See how the total positives have an increased percent from day 2 to day 3, however the actual percentage of new positive cases are declining?
     
  16. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Unless I'm missing the point...

    Not sure why the # of people who die from heart disease matters, it's not contagious. I can be sitting next to someone with heart disease, and they can cough, sneeze and spit on me all they want, I'm not catching it from them. Nor do I become a carrier of the disease and risk other people getting it from me, despite me not showing any signs.

    We have done something about that (banned smoking in public places/restaurants, etc), and it's not contagious/communicable. SMOKING the act is potentially dangerous to others, but someone smoking next to you won't cause you to get lung cancer. And most of the people who die from smoking do it to themselves.

    I'm hoping I'm missing a bigger point here, and if so I apologize in advance. It's entirely possible I'm misunderstanding why you brought up non contagious diseases.

    Yes, we could do a lot more for the health and well being of our country. But pointing out areas where we should be more diligent in with health care doesn't relate, since that's really an unrelated point in relation to Covid19.
     
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    I just did, they all relate to the numbers. Its math.

    Just because a total number increases, doesn't mean the total number of cases is actually increasing per million. It's all about how many are being tested vs how many turn up positive.
     
  18. PtldPlatypus

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    Nor did I attempt to. I simply said that you provided very little evidence to support your claim that Tennessee hadn't flattened their curve at all.

    @wizenheimer, however, did disprove your assertion quite thoroughly.
     
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  20. CupWizier

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    Interesting statistics from the press rally briefings.

    trump speaking 63% of the time

    Birx speaking 10% of the time

    Fauci speaking 5% of the time

    Those numbers should be reversed.
     

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