OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

I know...I've read a couple of the plans. I was explaining to TB how the 2.2M dead number was derived

by the way, those 'controlled' herd plans seem pretty unworkable to me, besides the fact we don't know enough about the virus to have any confidence they would work in the first place

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/25/us/who-immunity-antibodies-covid-19/index.html

any hope of herd immunity is based upon assumption at this point

 

You're assertion that I'm ridiculing 2.2M dead is just a strawman. I'm saying that those models were inaccurate and took a lot of assumptions to get there. Most herd immunity plans aren't nearly as bad as you want to make it out to be either that's just full of hyperbole. I said exactly what I meant to say if herd immunity was/is possible the way it's been handled it has made it so that it won't occur for months (if it ever does). If they wanted to do a lockdown to kill it then a hard quarantine made more sense then what they did. The half-sies plan ensured that this will be a months-long or year+ phenomenon. The way it's been handled has ensured that it will be months and months and months of it.

 

Yikes. Coming at him HOT

 

So is any hope of developing a vaccine or that the virus will just 'die out'.

 

ditto. Thanks. Like most, i had no idea.

 

Wolves travel in packs.

Dogs travel in a pet carrier or watching each other's butt with a musher behind them...

 

how do you know they were inaccurate?

we're a long way from being thru this pandemic and being safe on the other side.

there was no plan to 'kill' the virus. All the restrictions were about keeping the health care system from crashing and trying to save lives; run the clock a little till some effective treatments were available. Make a margin to collect and collate data in order to set good policy. Basically, we were caught like deer in headlights and the stay-at-home orders and other restrictions were the best tools we had in a very limited toolbox

stay-at-home orders have no impact on developing treatments or vaccines. And if there's no herd immunity possible, the "months and months and months" of this was always inevitable

 

So you're saying they handled it correctly.

 

I haven't seen anybody claiming the virus will 'die out'...colds and flus are still with us, year after year

and yes, developing a vaccine is not guaranteed. But at this point it sure seems to be a much better bet than herd immunity (or pack immunity).

I'm not sure what you're arguing for. I mean, Ive seen you criticize the stay-at-home and closed business policies before so I'm assuming you want restrictions lifted? But to what end? If there's no immunity for a significant number of the people who get Covid, and only short term (as in weeks) for most others, the economy will just crater further. Surge after surge while the death toll mounts

I think this gets back to what Dr. Fauci (and many others) have been saying for weeks: we need more data before we can implement good policy.

in the meantime, while we play it safe, to a degree, there is hopeful news on the treatment side, and a little positive vibe on the vaccine track

 

Trump's going to loose his mind!

 

I think his tweet is directed to his supporters that were bringing up Sweden, FYI.

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/29/asia/wuhan-coronavirus-lockdown-analysis-intl-hnk/index.html

Wuhan shows the world that the end of lockdown is just the beginning of the Covid-19 crisis