Politics Tara Reade

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  1. CupWizier

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    Pretty compelling evidence seeing as no sexual allegation was made.

    "In it, he writes Reade told him about “a problem she was having at work regarding sexual harassment, in U.S. Senator Joe Biden’s office.”

    No mention of any sexual act and no mention that it was Joe Biden. It merely states Joe Biden's office.
     
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    Yeah, seem to remember discussing that link a couple days ago.
     
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    I never claimed it was compelling evidence. I simply said it was more corroboration, which it is. Just more to add to the pile. Maybe if enough piles up you guys will quit pretending it doesn’t exist?

    I understand your plight here, I really do. You want Trump to be defeated so badly, as many do, but it’s hard to accept the realization that your only hope to do so is an extremely troubled candidate who’s looking more and more like a lost cause with every passing day. It’s got to be a tough pill to swallow.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    You have to realize that there are people who fear that that their time in power (or more accurately, people who look a lot like them in power/control over the "moral compass" of the country) is in jeopardy. So much fear that they put their effort behind a man who doesn't share their morals, ethics, or even their values, solely because he is on their side (and white).

    It's no surprise that people are buying a con-man's story. And yes, to a degree every politician says what their base wants to hear, but no one does it to the level that he does.

    So we can argue until we're blue in the face, it won't matter. They seem to have bought into the system, and struggle to see a way out of it. So instead of saying "hey you know, this guy actually doesn't hold the same values I have about life/religion/country/whatever", they double down on what he says.

    I mean for fucks sake, this is the guy who jokes about sexually assaulting women, talks about walking in on *teenagers* as they are changing clothes, makes fun of people with disabilities, brags about his penis size, openly mocks and degrades women, praises dictators, mocks those who called John McCain a hero, was the epitome of privilege growing up (how anyone who served in the military can stomach this man, especially those who openly mocked Bill Clinton for doing the same thing), says "two Corinthians", is racist (or at best, manipulates those who are), is a bully, a liar and a cheat, and yet they still will just bury their head in the sand because he "stands for what they stand for".

    But they're never really clear about what they stand for OR they come up with the equivalent of the "Hitler did some good things too" argument.
     
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  5. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Here's the thing. Yes she did tell people, but her stories aren't consistent with reality, and it's rich for you to bring up the "pretending" thing, since you guys pretend that there wasn't a dress code indicating that women wear pantyhose back then, or that where she said the event took place is *NEVER* empty, or that where she said it took place didn't have the direct line of sight of the exit as she claimed, or that not only did SHE say it wasn't sexual, but EVERY SINGLE WITNESS did too, and only changed their minds when she all the sudden changed her mind?

    Or that she's changed the story several times now?

    Certain things are true of adults who were sexually assaulted. They tend to remember the sexual assault from the get go. And they tend to not maintain respect for someone who sexually assaulted them.
     
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    Think of it this way, my sister worked for a local grocery chain back in the late 80s and early 90's. There was a creepy old guy who would come in the store and say suggestive things to her (and a few of her c0-workers who were also 15-19 years old and female).

    My sister told her boss about it, and filed a complaint. The guy once grabbed her and made her feel really unsafe. She included that in her report.

    And it's not like she didn't tell that part of the story to start with, when she first told me when I was about 16 (and she would've been 19). It's not like all the sudden yesterday she goes "Oh hey, btw, remember that old guy at the store? He also stuck his hand up my vagina. I totally forgot about that. My bad"

    She didn't maintain respect for the guy, she didn't say it made her feel uncomfortable and then emphasized it "wasn't sexual".

    She flat out said the guy grabbed her ass and tried to give her gifts and would say very suggestive comments to her.
     
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    Circumstantial anecdotes about pantyhose and how crowded a building may or may not have been in 1993 are really, really unfortunate attempts to discredit a sexual assault allegation.

    Just concede that you don’t give a shit and you’d rather have your candidate than the other one! Be honest. At least the hardcore Trump people more or less admitted they didn’t care about his past, rather than doing mental gymnastics to justify a scummy position.

    Also, thousands of rapes/assaults never get reported, or are made to seem less serious by the victims themselves as a result of the shame they feel about the incident. You know this. I know you know this. You aren’t a dummy so don’t be willfully ignorant.
     
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    Next thing we know, Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman will be holding a press conference with new allegations and that they are taking Reade's case.
     
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    I don't think we need someone who supports trump (or will deny they do) talking about "scummy position".

    I don't support Joe, but I also don't think she's being as honest about things as you want her to be. If it's a credible accusation, that'd be one thing. But, despite you and others totally burying your head in the sand about this part, her story changes.

    Her report initially didn't mention him at all (just referenced his office). She was fired/let go/resigned/quit, then it became he touched her inappropriately...but emphasized it was NON sexual. And once that story lost steam then she magically remembered (along with all her witnesses) that he had totally stuck his fingers up her hoo-haa, you know!

    And here's also another thing, men who sexually assault women don't just do it once. They have a pattern of inappropriate touching/etc, and then sexual assault. It's why someone like Bob Packwood, or Bill Clinton, have *several* women who accuse them of things, and not just the one.
     
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    I'm willing to bet that they've been told, from someone high in the RNC, not to touch this at all. Because once they get their hands on it, it pretty much confirms it'd be 100% bullshit, because those two are 100% full of bullshit.
     
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    No, the Obama guidance where accused weren’t given “due process” in college. The irony is thick when Biden is calling upon the colleges to not allow accused to be able to defend themselves from a rape allegation, yet he’s asking the public to allow him to defend himself.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...rule-to-bolster-protections-for-those-accused
     
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    Again, the irony of someone blindly defending trump is incredibly rich here. And even if you claim you aren't, you do/are blindly support/defend him.
     
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    It's a lawyer who defends them, not themselves unless they are idiots
     
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    Anecdotes. You are literally incapable of discrediting the allegations in any concrete way so you are resorting to flimsy anecdotes.
     
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    Thanks bud, I was waiting for this auto-reply to confirm your lack of an argument. I shouldn’t have pulled your string.
     
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    so you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty? Sounds like you have taken second hand hearsay evidence and determined Biden is guilty and all we know is she said she felt uncomfortable. If making someone feel uncomfortable is a crime, then you trumpers should be marching to jail. :bgrin:
     
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    The college reviews aren’t a court of law. Nice try.
     
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    I’m not saying Biden is guilty. I’m saying it’s extremely troubling/ironic to watch the same people who vehemently went after Trump (and rightfully so) for his alleged exploits, do mental gymnastics and use flimsy anecdotal justifications to try and discredit sexual assault allegations against ‘their’ candidate. It’s a bad look.
     
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    Then, there's Tara Reade, who will now be leaving the Democratic party. Will she be supporting Trump? Not a chance. Do you really think she's doing this for money? Please.

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/09/tara-...ic-party-after-response-to-biden-allegations/
     
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