Cup, you are so locked into your Dem vs. Repub worldview that you aren't understanding what I've been going on about. At this point, I don't know if it's worth continuing to try to make my point, but I may as well give it one more shot. I think people are being so sucked into the party divide in this country that most of us have collectively lost our minds. Or, rather, we are so ingrained into listening to the talking points of "our side" that we're getting programmed in our thoughts. I see it consistently around here in the posts by you, Yank, and other liberals vs posts by Mags, ABM, and other conservatives. Both sides tend to spew the daily talking points of either liberal media or Fox News. I seldom see anybody questioning "their side's" views. The difference in the handling of Tara Reade's accusations against Joe Biden vs. Blasey-Ford's reception in her complaint against Kavanaugh really drives it home if you can step back and look at it objectively. Both have made sexual assault complaints on decades-old alleged incidents with sparse supporting evidence. The liberal news outlets went all in on Blasey-Ford and virtually ignored Reade until just recently. Fox News went all in on trying to discredit Blasey-Ford and absolutely loves Reade's story. You and Yank can't seem to see inconsistencies in Blasey-Ford's testimony and dismiss them when they are pointed out. You're all over Reade's changes in her story, but seem to willing to dismiss out of hand documentation and supporting testimony of friends and acquaintances. I don't hold myself up as a dispassionate observer, but I am trying to look at things a bit more objectively than I used to. I don't necessarily believe Reade, but I do see enough there that it troubles me that Biden is getting pretty much a pass on it. My call for an investigation is only about wanting to see the Democrats live up to their claims of integrity when it comes to women's rights. You want to make it about Trump vs. Biden when it comes to the assault allegations. Of course Trump has no integrity on the subject. The Republicans have no intention of making women's rights an issue in their campaign. Now, with Biden as the Dems' candidate, they have pretty much lost that issue as something they can use this fall. "Vote for Joe, he's less pervy than Trump" isn't much of a slogan.
Okay, so just for shits and giggles, let's just throw out the sexual accusations...does that make Trump a better choice than Biden? ...also, fwiw, Reade's lawyer Douglas Wigdor is a big Trump supporter and even contributed $55,000.00 to Trump's campaign is 2016.
Big deal. Wigdor has also represented about a half dozen victims of Harvey Weinstein. In other words, this is in his wheelhouse.
No. Is Biden the best candidate that the Dems could put forward? Yeah. I read that Dem talking point too. His firm has a reputation of providing counsel to women who are accusing men of assault and also represented several of Harvey Weinstein's accusers. He also represented Christine Blasey-Ford in the Kavanaugh matter. I guess the Dem talking points left that out. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/tara-reade-has-a-high-profile-new-lawyer.html
I didn't say Biden was the best choice for the Dems, he certainly wasn't mine...and I'm by no means aligned with the Democratic Party. ...but that wasn't the question, between the two, do you prefer Biden or do you think Trump deserves another 4 years?..I don't.
I have said multiple times here that I will never vote for Trump. I live in Oregon and it’s a foregone conclusion that our electoral votes will go to the Dem candidate no matter who he, she, or it is. If the Dems do an investigation and find Biden is suited to be president based on its outcome, I will vote for him. If they just ignore the whole thing, I’ll take a pass on casting a vote for president.
I really don't see the Reade allegations going anywhere even though the Dems will undoubtedly at least give an impression of doing their "due diligence" in the matter. I mean, hell, look at the sexual indiscretions that Trump got away with. But here's something I wish you'd reconsider, if there's no way you can accept Trump I think you'd be actually helping him by not voting at all, and Dem voter apathy is my biggest fear for this November...regardless, I respect your position.
There is absolutely no way my vote will make the least bit of difference. Oregon (or at least the most populous areas of it) is as deep blue as they come.
C'mon man, what if everybody thought like that? As an example, just say that only 20 people are able to vote on an election; 10 of them vote for "A" and 9 vote for "B"...the 20th person believes his vote isn't important and so doesn't vote at all...candidate "A" wins. ...and if Trump wins in November it will be only because voter apathy...your vote is not only a right, it's a privilege.
If and when Trump wins, I'll be certain to blame those apathetic Democratic voters for four more years.
You may not realize this, but Oregon is so solidly polarized that the electoral votes are essentially already pledged to the democratic nominee. There is no realistic level of "voter apathy" that will change that eventuality. Georgia might be a different story, I have no idea, but it is reality that my vote is immaterial to the presidential election.
