OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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Pretty classy!

 

The point is, without testing, all policy decisions are being made in the dark. Policy decisions to open up are ridiculous because there's no proof we won't immediately fall into a second wave. Decisions to keep the economy shut down, are certainly more likely to keep the disease shut down, but at a horrible expense to the economy and to people who have no savings, and these decisions are being equally made without knowledge of what the true important stats of the disease are.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...at-arizona-ups-distribution-center-report.amp

Coronavirus sickens dozens of employees at Arizona UPS distribution center: report

 

Kayleigh McEnany, Trump's newest propaganda minister...wow.

 

Taking a job with the Trump administration pretty much guarantees you a multi million dollar tell all book deal when he's gone.....the lines are going around the block to get this kind of access

 

I stopped listening. She's just another puppet.

 

Hey, didn't he win the Nobel prize for peace as well as write and sing that great song "Everybody Must Get Stoned"? How come he's better looking in this picture? Dude use to be kind of ugly.

 

probably not the best choice of words around here as even i came up with several sexual related images when i read it. joking.

 

the Sweden experiment seems to be failing spectacularly. It's been held up as the template for balancing the pandemic and the economy, so how is it doing in those two areas compared to it's neighbors who have implemented policies Sweden has not:



ok then, it's insane how high it's rate is compared to it's Scandinavian neighbors

it looks a little better when compared to all of Europe and the US:



but 3 weeks ago it's deaths/million was well under 100. It is skyrocketing up the list

but enough of that, the goal was to protect it's economy. How's that working out? How does Sweden's expected economic contraction compare to other nations in Europe?



https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/cor...ntract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ter-and-conservatives-want-more-of-that-death
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Sweden's stated goal...the official policy....was to weather the storm and develop herd immunity in a few weeks. That's when 70-90% of the population has developed immunity. So then, where is Sweden now in reaching that goal of 70-90%?

"Sweden has revealed that despite adopting more relaxed measures to control coronavirus, only 7.3% of people in Stockholm had developed the antibodies needed to fight the disease by late April.
The figure, which Sweden's Public Health Authority confirmed to CNN, is roughly similar to other countries that have data and well below the 70-90% needed to create "herd immunity" in a population."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/health/sweden-herd-immunity-coronavirus-intl/index.html

these are really interesting developments that cut strongly against the talking points coming out of the white house and fox news (and some posters here). It also strongly refutes the arguments that the virus is widespread and has infected a lot more people than reported. The virus doesn't seem to give a shit about talking points.

It also is a very strong argument that it isn't government policies that are killing economies, it's the behavior of people as they hunker down and try to avoid the virus. Doesn't seem like too many people are volunteering to be soldiers against Covid by overtly risking exposure and developing immunity.

 

This is a very good and important point. Trump, certain governors and protestors can go on and on about how the economy needs to re-open and allow people to go back to normal--but no "re-opening" matters if most people continue mostly staying at home and don't congregate and don't do in-person non-essential things. The economy is still going to struggle along.

 

The report I heard about on PBS The News Hour said that Sweden had the highest death rate among the Nordic countries and the second highest rate in Europe behind Belgium.

 

the restaurant industry had collapsed and flat-lined before any stay at home orders were issued

 

I just want to say that, in my opinion, you're providing the most reasoned and informative posts about COVID-19.

 

hey, thanks. Many here wouldn't agree though

I wasn't so reasonable about Evan Turner every time he shot the damn ball...and Aminu leading a fast break? lord have mercy

 

We call those trumpers. Keep posting the good stuff.

 

Clackamas County opens phase 1 tomorrow.

 

Didn't get tested at the hospital...which to me is really dumb for a cardiology wing of a hospital this day and age....did pass the temp check and actually, the whole trip seems now like it was a waste of time..the first responders there said they don't even get tested and don't understand why...I feel sorry for them...instead of putting up two giant billboards declaring them heroes, I think they'd all rather have tests daily when they show up for work....as it is, they don't

 

And Sweden, let us remember, has excellent national health, so following Swedish model here means all the risk with none of the benefits.

 

Hope your check up went well today and it blows me away they wouldn't test you!
There is so much talk about testing and A Systematic's walking around you'd think they'd want to test a heart patient.
So much talk about safety precautions and they miss some of the simply ways to do it?