OT The Gun Thread

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  1. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Sure, people kill people with guns, guns don't do it by themselves. That's a pretty shallow observation, though.

    The point is that guns enable people to kill much more easily and quickly. If guns didn't exist or weren't allowed, there would still be criminally malicious people and murderers. But it's much harder to kill 20 or 50 people at a time with a knife. Murders would still happen--mass murders would be far, far, far rarer. Not because people would suddenly stop wanting to mass murder, but because mass murder would be much, much, much harder.

    Let's stop with "guns don't kill people, people kill people." It's trite and meaningless when it comes to the discussion of the effect of unregulated firearms on society. "Society" already denotes that people are the actors. The question is whether we want to allow guns to be an accessible tool for those people.
     
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    Are you in the ban guns camp?

    I'm not a fan of guns, but I try to look at it realistically. If we banned guns( there are millions out there already) How many unregistered or illegally owned guns would still be on the streets and in the hands of criminals, while innocent people aren't able to have one and defend themselves against those who do"


    Meaning, Banning guns wont get them out of the hands of the criminals. It will just get them out of the hands of the law abiding citizens and leave ONLY criminals armed.

    I'm not for that at all.

    So the thought may be shallow, but it has more depth than what can be seen on the surface.
     
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    Not entirely. I'm in the "regulate guns" camp. Assault rifles are completely unnecessary for civilians and should be banned. Hand guns and shotguns should be extremely strictly regulated--there should be background checks, a license should be required before purchase, there should be a red flag law regarding them. Concealed carry should be illegal except for people with a specific, professional need.

    None of these regulations are minority views--they all poll well in the US. These are, IMO, common sense regulations that probably would have been enacted long ago except for the NRA's influence over many policitians.
     
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    I can agree with that.
     
  5. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Seeing these mass looters has shown me that assault weapons should be allowed. Being attacked by multiple assailants at once, a simple gun, may not be sufficient. Imagine it could get worse.
     
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    I mean, yes... I would like to own a full auto M4. I don’t plan on shooting anybody with it but damn do I wanna take it shooting on weekends...
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    It should be used for defensive purposes, only.
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Upland is like the Gresham of the LA Area.

     
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    Yeah, I need to defend myself against the tannerite targets in the woods man.
     
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    Still have to shoot it regularly to keep up on skill.

    There are some people.... Okay, I own a gun! Im safe! Lock it in the safe, and never take the classes or learn about gun safety and responsibility. Blows my mind.


    This goes for you too bro, since you've admitted not being into guns. Just cause you get your hands on one doesn't mean it will save you unless you are familiar with it and how it shoots.
     
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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    Not gonna get agreement on this issue, period.
     
  12. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Oh, if i get an assault weapon, I'll get training. Big league training.
     
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    or on abortion, or on foreign aid, or on welfare and a great many things.
    However on this one there happens to be an amendment.
    So theres that.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    As you wish, grasshopper.
     
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    Sooo...if the government make guns illegal, are they still attainable?
     
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    Okay? Looks peaceful to me? They’re not antagonizing the protest, the protest isn’t antagonizing them. No guns are being pointed, no fingers on triggers... obviously there to protect their property and neighborhood from those who wish to cause damage.
     
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    Still not a good look
     

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