OT Don't Be Dissin' The American Flag

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  1. riverman

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    You're completely forgetting the recruiting symbol of patriotism when the call to arms arises in wartime America.....Uncle Sam!
    uncle sam.jpg
     
  2. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    The stars and stripes are a pattern. It happens to be on a flag. The flag is a physical product.

    In any case, those rules were probably written by slave owners, so who gives a shit anyway.
     
  3. riverman

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    I'm guessing Ted Nugent and maybe Kid Rock....
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    What a scam.
     
  5. riverman

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    It's your ticket to security, guns, the whole shebang...you won't have to worry about crackazz poppin' a cap in your azz.....you'll be in the National Guard with a helmet and tear gas....talk about safety! You know you've been leading up to a career in the mercenary field...
     
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  6. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    I'm more of a middle man.
     
  7. MickZagger

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    I’m a huge Ted Nugent fan. The musician.

    The person is a huge tool bag who I don’t think even believes half the shit he says but is just one of those dumbasses who enjoys listening to themselves talk.
     
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  8. riverman

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    Sleeping habits are personal things....I'm more of a side by side with a woman guy......your way requires two more dudes....to each their own...
     
  9. riverman

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    I only know his one hit...Cat Scratch Fever and I've seen him on his big game hunting shows here and there....I know he likes Trump...that's about it...
     
  10. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Completely well said, Lanny. Quite frankly, I love that compromise.

    MY OP was based on (completely stand-up [no pun intended] guy Drew Brees' comments, but I really haven't been following the entire flag issue all that much. Just whose attention are the players trying to capture, and what has to happen before they end the protest...if ever?

    I just know that our American Flag is all over the place - cemeteries, public civic buildings, private buildings, schools, homes, you name it. I just hate seeing it seemingly dishonored in this matter. But, whatever.

    Is this a statement on historic slavery? In their minds, does our American flag somehow stand for white supremacy, systemic racism, and the like? What started it all?

    Anyway, the whole kneeling thing, with the hand over the heart, singing, etc. sounds right.
     
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  11. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Not me. This flag thing goes way back with me. It's just really sad to me that it (the American flag) now is considered some type of lighting rod that seemingly is suppose to be making some other type of statement.
     
  12. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Every President since LBJ to Lincoln has had to deal with this racism pandemic. And now our American Flag is the fix-it solution? Hmmmm. IMO, the cure begins in our homes and our schools. It's a GREAT place to start and I believe needs more emphasis. I posted a personal letter from my sister in another thread regarding my mom & dad. The way I was brought up has EVERYTHING to do with how I treat others - white, black, brown, or otherwise. That said, I think I'll post it again here just because:

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    My older sis just sent this to some of our family members, and other friends. It's written about my Dad & Mom. Most of it I already knew, but some of this I was unaware of. The reason I'm sharing it here is because I've always been so proud of my folks...the sacrifices they made, and love they have for their fellow/brother man. They've always been models to me. They're both in heaven now. I still miss them....

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    I've been thinking a lot about Mom and Dad during this time of racial unrest. I remember a similar time in Portland around 1964. I was in nursing school, living at Emanuel Hospital school of Nursing. This was during the time President Kennedy ( 1963) and Martin Luther King were assassinated.

    The streets were packed with protests around the country, and yes there was some violence. In Portland it was manifested by rock throwing and stores burning.

    Dad was pastor of a church that he had shepherded in Lake Oswego for five years. The church had just built a new building and Dad and Mom were busy with young families building the church.

    Mom and Dad got a newsletter that went out to all the churches and they found out a Black church in North Portland was struggling. The pastor's wife had cancer.

    Mom and Dad were wondering how the Black church was doing during this time of racial unrest

    They wanted to know how the Black people were thinking and feeling. So one Sunday they took off from their church and went to visit the Black church (the one with the wife who had cancer), which at that time was meeting in a house.

    They bonded with that little group of people so Dad resigned his Lake Oswego church and they joined themselves with the North Portland church. They ended up loving and working with that little church over the next 40 years.

    Dad had a Master of Divinity that he had worked all my growing up years to attain (from when I was about 8 til I was 15). But he joined the African American Church as a support person and helped (as an elder and associate pastor, often a mentor to the young Black pastors), but he never took the lead pastor position for which he was well qualified. The church started a child care program under the Model Cities program and Dad was in charge of that and Mom worked there at times.

    Many years before that when Dad was in his 20s he had a job at Vanport ship yards( during world war two years) and he said a man at work hit a black man over the head with a crowbar for no reason and my dad never got over that. ( he said the man was disciplined by a supervisor but Dad just couldn't believe his eyes!)

    Maybe that added into his decision to give up his church in the suburb of Lake Oswego and join himself and Mom to the small black congregation. I'm sure His faith in Jesus and the teachings that we are our brother's keeper was his primary motivation

    Anyway just wanted to share this with all of you. I know you all have kind hearts and a strong sense of social justice (wanting to fight for equality for all) and that you come by it from a legacy of Dad and Mom who led the way!!

    Lots of love always!



    PS: These are good:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-kids-coronavirus-school-closures/3128780001/


    https://www.gse.upenn.edu/news/talking-children-after-racial-incidents
     
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    The flag has symbolized imperialism, oppression, racism, etc. for it's entire existence... this is nothing new.
     
  14. ABM

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    Well, I certainly missed that memo.
     
  15. ABM

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    Got it. Thanks for the update.
     
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    oops. What a tonedeaf comment initially by Brees. And yet another tonedeaf thread by the OP.

     
  17. Orion Bailey

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    Hmm... seems to me the original flag was made and create by a newly formed country directly aimed at FIGHTING imperialism. The English?

    The Flags original intent was just, even if the creators still had issues, like race preference and colonizing.

    But the intent was just. to provide equality for all and freedoms of certain alienable rights.

    With that said, the constitution was fucked. When it was written, The right to vote originally said the Black slave only counted as 3/5ths a person.


    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/thirteenthamendment.html

    So yes, major issues back then, but coming from imperial oppression, The flag and constitution had a just and positive intent. And was the initiation of freedom around the world. Until then, no one had put on paper the rights of the people.
     
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    Fuck, how could he be so blind to not know this would be an issue BEFORE posting it?

    This apology is all about trying to avoid being blackballed by teamates and the league.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    That's a nice story, (tho Kennedy was killed in 63, and MLK was killed in 68, so her timeline seemed a little weird).

    But what does that to do with anything I said?
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    It was a non apology apology. People do it all the time. They offer up tone deaf platitudes, and really are sorry people reacted the way they did, and not actually that they are sorry/apologetic for what they said/did.

    His agents words aren't his.
     

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