OT Don't Be Dissin' The American Flag

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  1. riverman

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    All any of us should be saying about Black Lives Matter and all civil rights protests is, "I'm listening and we're sorry" ...whitesplaining racism is like burying guilt....something the Irish have mastered for centuries....my father's racism started in New Orleans when he was in pilot training for WWII and went out with a few buddies and got mugged by local blacks....he feared them for the rest of his life and became racist from that incident. Imagine how many incidents black soldiers withstood during the same period as the start of WWII....We are listening! We are truly sorry!..that's my chant and I have native American blood as well as Irish....I also have Caucasian features that afford me white privilege whether I was aware of it or not...was proud to see dviss marching in Portland as well as Rodney Hood, Trent Jr..Nassir Little and Dame...get woke America or you'll never be great
     
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  2. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Great work.

    I also candidly and vulnerably shared anecdotes from my past, some of my upbringing and the incredible legacy set before me by my parents. I also shared that I agreed with @Lanny 's response in that I will always have my hand over my heart and sing the national anthem, while also taking the knee if that occasion arose.

    Thanks for telling me what I am, though.
     
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  3. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    You're welcome for pointing out to everyone that your words don't match what you claim to be how you live your life.
     
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  4. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Racism is embedded in the heart. What are parents telling their children? That's the real place to start. I know it was with me.

    But, again, thanks for telling me who I am, although, you know no idea how I live my life.

    Oh, and I remember these times, as well. We're not experiencing anything new here.

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  5. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    again, your words don't match how you say you live your life. That's all I'm saying. You contradict yourself a lot on here (remember the "petard" comments a few weeks ago?).
     
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    racism has nothing to do with the heart...it's a brain cancer...it's fear based and a defense mechanism just like an animal instinct for territory...it's caveman behavior...some children don't have parents to tell them things....153 million currently as of the last count a few weeks ago...my parents were orphans...the teachers were nuns pretty much. for someone who is constantly asking forum members who they are considering a myriad of topics...I think you welcome people talking about who you are ABM....that's why you have all these personal definitions...comes with the territory..if you open the can of worms you might want to put on the grass skirt
     
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    It's already started in the homes though. You repeating that makes it sound like you think it should stay in the homes or something. You see 10k people out in portland marching for this, it's because the conversation started in their homes. You see the millions of people all around the world marching in solidarity? It's because the conversation started in their homes.

    The conversation seemed to happen in your home, as you say, but then it seems in your words on here that that's where the conversation stopped.
     
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    This. I've been following this guy's posts for over a decade. Shoulda known.
     
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    For fucks sake, stop spreading your right wing propaganda and spare us your Traump had the nation's best interest bullshit. He cares about nothing but himself in EVERY FUCKING THING he does. Too bad you're too blinded to see it. The fact that you are actually trying to credit Trump in a positive manner for this shitshow tells me everything I need to know about where you stand.

    Voting on one issue. Gimme a fucking break. The hell you are.
     
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  10. ABM

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    Again, bullcrap. I well stated how I feel about our flag and these kneeling protests. Again, in my mind, the question is...what is all this kneeling really supposed to accomplish? My thinking is, if they really want to effect social change, these players have all - and I mean ALL - the opportunity in the world to hit up our communities (perhaps, orchestrated by the players' unions?), get into our schools with their message, etc., etc. OUR KIDS LOOK UP TO AND WILL LISTEN TO THEM! Taking a knee, in and of itself, isn't having the impact it was designed to. Is it?
     
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    He said he voted based on Trump's pro-life anti-abortion agenda and apparently that was the only deciding factor for him.
     
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  12. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    It's like you don't see what you're saying. You're basically using an old racist trope of saying that the players aren't doing anything, or aren't doing what YOU approve of them doing.

    You are ignoring, willfully or ignorantly, how it is that white people have an easier time dealing with stuff they're frustrated with. We're the ones in power. If the system you want to change is against you, what does starting at home do?

    What exactly are you suggesting they say at home, or in schools, to get those in power to stop abusing their power?

    "Look Billy, if you are just more compliant with the police officer, you won't get shot"?

    What social change do you think they can effect at home or in schools? Telling 3rd grade police offers to stop systematically targeting black men at a significantly higher rate than that of ANY other race, despite data showing their actions don't warrant the attention?

    How exactly is that supposed to be addressed at home?

    ....white privilege, you have a call on line 3...
     
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    Trump's response to it fueled division and anger around a civil rights issue...I'd say it had a HUGE impact on current events...you can disrespect someone's freedom of expression seemingly because Trump's reaction led that charge and it was a really bad and wrong reaction...pure bluster..
     
  14. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Oh, I know that. That's a whole other issue of "wtf" .
     
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    ending police brutality against black people....you obviously aren't taking that seriously?
     
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    It's supposed to being more attention to the fact that black people are treated significantly different than others in the country, by those in power. And have been for hundreds of years now. It's a blight on our society as a whole, that we've allowed this to happen as long as it has. But hey, if we just can talk to the kids and explain how to properly act when you're around people who can kill you and get away with it, this won't be a problem.
     
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    I don't know what your point is in continuing to post this. They were as villified at the time as Kaepernick has been. There were people at the time denouncing it as disrespecting the flag/anthem and someone like you, back them, would have giddily said, "I agree with them!!!!!" as you did in starting this thread.
     
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    Great, let's see your ideas.
     
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    It's a weird example of white-washing and re-writing history.
     
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    I can't believe an actual grown ass man can proudly type: "Trump had the nation's best interest in mind....."

    and actually believe that shit.
     
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