Oregon State, Oregon agree not to use the term ‘Civil War’ for its sports rivalry games

PtldPlatypus · Jul 2, 2020

TorturedBlazerFan said: ↑

I understand, but it doesn't have to be either-or. Most successful societies I think need a well regulated (socialism) version of capitalism while using that capitalism to help the society prosper. I wish at some point we could talk IRL about some of this. I'm willing to listen and try to learn your perspective have some empathy. Cause I understand my life experiences as a white guy certainly is different than yours as a black man. I have legit after our very first encounter anyways, liked and respected you and in person, I think you're a great dude. I have been around some of the BLM stuff in Forest Grove though I don't think it's going on anymore could be wrong but the guy who was organizing it seemed to have stopped. I know in every area the... demands are different and there are different things going on, but I was very much getting the hey if you aren't basically willing to accept the far-left politics we don't want you here vibes, and some of the protests were barely even talking about Black Lives even though they were holding some signs.

You brought up Malcolm X earlier but honestly my experiences (albeit in kind of a remote corner of a remote state), totally reminded me of what he said. Which talking about something that might ruffle some feathers...

“The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the black man. Let me explain what I mean by the white liberal. In America there is no such thing as Democrat or Republican anymore. In America you have liberals and conservatives. The only people living in the past who think in terms of I’m a Democrat or Republican, is the American Negro. He’s the one that runs around bragging about party affiliation. He’s the one that sticks to the Democrat or sticks to the Republican. But white people are divided into two groups, liberals and conservative. The Democrats who are conservative, vote with the Republicans who are conservative. The Democrats who are liberal vote with the Republicans that are liberal. The white liberal aren’t white people who are for independence, who are moral and ethical in their thinking. They are just a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. The same as the white conservative is a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. They are fighting each other for power and prestige, and the one that is the football in the game is the Negro, 20 million black people. A political football, a political pawn, an economic football, and economic pawn. A social football, a social pawn. The liberal elements of whites are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the Negro as a friend of the Negro. Getting sympathy of the Negro, getting the allegiance of the Negro, and getting the mind of the Negro. Then the Negro sides with the white liberal, and the white liberal use the Negro against the white conservative. So that anything that the Negro does is never for his own good, never for his own advancement, never for his own progress, he’s only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal. The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros, and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn’t taken, tricked, or deceived by the white liberal then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man. The only way that our problem will be solved is when the black man wakes up, clean himself up, stand on his own feet and stop begging the white man, and take immediate steps to do for ourselves the things that we have been waiting on the white man to do for us. Once we do for self then we will be able to solve our own problems’ "The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.”

― Malcolm X
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Sounds like Malcolm was advocating for exactly what has happened over the past month--for the black community to join together take their needs into their own hands.

tlongII · Jul 2, 2020

Lol at anybody believing in "bible god".

Chris Craig · Jul 2, 2020

Jesus was not a white dude! He was middle eastern. He likely had darker olive sun tanned skin. He likely also did not have the long flowly hair we see in current depictions. It was probably curly and shorter.

PtldPlatypus · Jul 2, 2020

Chris Craig said: ↑

Jesus was not a white dude! He was middle eastern. He likely had darker olive sun tanned skin. He likely also did not have the long flowly hair we see in current depictions. It was probably curly and shorter.
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I don't even understand why it matters what color Jesus was. The notion has never had even the slightest impact on my relationship with Him.

God spoke out of a burning bush--maybe He's actually green? Can we just go with that?

Chris Craig · Jul 2, 2020

tlongII said: ↑

Lol at anybody believing in "bible god".
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The bible is a book, or rather a collection of books written by men. Most of the stories are allegories. They were written many many years after the events told in them were to have happened.

And I not saying there wasn't a Jesus, or that all that stuff in the bible didn't happen. But, between the time events happened and the time they were recorded I am sure some of stories had evolved from what they originally were. Some were based in historical fact but were embellished or exaggerated by the time writers wrote them down.

yankeesince59 · Jul 2, 2020

What a stupid fucking argument...a lot of hate and anger here too.

Minstrel · Jul 2, 2020

PtldPlatypus said: ↑

Amazing how stating that scripture really doesn't tell us what Jesus looked like somehow equates to "soft racism".
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I assume the "soft racism" would be assuming Jesus was white, when scripture doesn't say, rather than assuming he was non-white as people born in that region would likely be.

I'm not referring to you, because I have no idea whether you assume Jesus is white--but that's how the vast majority of depictions of him go.

PtldPlatypus · Jul 2, 2020

Minstrel said: ↑

I assume the "soft racism" would be assuming Jesus was white, when scripture doesn't say, rather than assuming he was non-white as people born in that region would likely be.

I'm not referring to you, because I have no idea whether you assume Jesus is white--but that's how the vast majority of depictions of him go.
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And if that were the case, then perhaps that would be a reasonable reply to a post containing something that would qualify. Nothing in my post reasonably should.

dviss1 · Jul 2, 2020

TorturedBlazerFan said: ↑

I understand, but it doesn't have to be either-or. Most successful societies I think need a well regulated (socialism) version of capitalism while using that capitalism to help the society prosper. I wish at some point we could talk IRL about some of this. I'm willing to listen and try to learn your perspective have some empathy. Cause I understand my life experiences as a white guy certainly is different than yours as a black man. I have legit after our very first encounter anyways, liked and respected you and in person, I think you're a great dude. I have been around some of the BLM stuff in Forest Grove though I don't think it's going on anymore could be wrong but the guy who was organizing it seemed to have stopped. I know in every area the... demands are different and there are different things going on, but I was very much getting the hey if you aren't basically willing to accept the far-left politics we don't want you here vibes, and some of the protests were barely even talking about Black Lives even though they were holding some signs.

You brought up Malcolm X earlier but honestly my experiences (albeit in kind of a remote corner of a remote state), totally reminded me of what he said. Which talking about something that might ruffle some feathers...

“The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the black man. Let me explain what I mean by the white liberal. In America there is no such thing as Democrat or Republican anymore. In America you have liberals and conservatives. The only people living in the past who think in terms of I’m a Democrat or Republican, is the American Negro. He’s the one that runs around bragging about party affiliation. He’s the one that sticks to the Democrat or sticks to the Republican. But white people are divided into two groups, liberals and conservative. The Democrats who are conservative, vote with the Republicans who are conservative. The Democrats who are liberal vote with the Republicans that are liberal. The white liberal aren’t white people who are for independence, who are moral and ethical in their thinking. They are just a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. The same as the white conservative is a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. They are fighting each other for power and prestige, and the one that is the football in the game is the Negro, 20 million black people. A political football, a political pawn, an economic football, and economic pawn. A social football, a social pawn. The liberal elements of whites are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the Negro as a friend of the Negro. Getting sympathy of the Negro, getting the allegiance of the Negro, and getting the mind of the Negro. Then the Negro sides with the white liberal, and the white liberal use the Negro against the white conservative. So that anything that the Negro does is never for his own good, never for his own advancement, never for his own progress, he’s only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal. The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros, and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn’t taken, tricked, or deceived by the white liberal then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man. The only way that our problem will be solved is when the black man wakes up, clean himself up, stand on his own feet and stop begging the white man, and take immediate steps to do for ourselves the things that we have been waiting on the white man to do for us. Once we do for self then we will be able to solve our own problems’ "The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.”

― Malcolm X
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I'm not a Democrat. And liberal then didn't mean the same thing as it did when FDR was president. Liberal now means something completely different. Liberals aren't socialists. I'm not a Liberal. Joe Biden is a liberal and that MF might as well be Republican.

But back then Malcolm X was talking about the same people MLK was talking about. Those that prefer order over justice. Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer types.

dviss1 · Jul 2, 2020

Minstrel said: ↑

I assume the "soft racism" would be assuming Jesus was white, when scripture doesn't say, rather than assuming he was non-white as people born in that region would likely be.

I'm not referring to you, because I have no idea whether you assume Jesus is white--but that's how the vast majority of depictions of him go.
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We have a winner.

The assumption that he was white sure is racist. Remember racism has levels, but it requires a system of oppression. And the white Jesus and that bible certainly was involved with the system of control and oppression. Which is why black people can be bias against skin tone but cannot be racist.

And lo and behold they're are going to change the meaning.

TorturedBlazerFan · Jul 2, 2020

dviss1 said: ↑

I'm not a Democrat. And liberal then didn't mean the same thing as it did when FDR was president. Liberal now means something completely different. Liberals aren't socialists. I'm not a Liberal. Joe Biden is a liberal and that MF might as well be Republican.

But back then Malcolm X was talking about the same people MLK was talking about. Those that prefer order over justice. Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer types.
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It's really hard to define Liberal, socialist, conservative, and all of that because the meaning of those words seems to be somewhat fluid and seem to mean different things to different people, and I agree what Malcolm X was talking about has shifted since the 1960s. I'm not a Republican or a Democrat.
I don't feel like I need to throw Black people a box on Twitter and pretend I'm doing something to help them. I kind of feel like ultimately what white people need to do is get out of the way, mostly our racist systems and systems that are easily corruptible. Those are what's in their way from prospering. I wasn't really quoting that 'at' you, just saying that I think what really bugs me is how many people politicians, corporations, or in this case the Oregon schools, there are a lot of white people behind that stuff that are using it entirely to better themselves and not black people. Not an 'ally' to BLM if you're doing PR stuff for your bottom line and acting like you're doing it to help Black people.

Hoopguru · Jul 2, 2020

PtldPlatypus said: ↑

Sounds like Malcolm was advocating for exactly what has happened over the past month--for the black community to join together take their needs into their own hands.
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dviss1 · Jul 2, 2020

PtldPlatypus said: ↑

And if that were the case, then perhaps that would be a reasonable reply to a post containing something that would qualify. Nothing in my post reasonably should.
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MM did and you gave him cover.

Just like there were pre-Columbian Mariners from Africa hundreds of years before Columbus "discovered" this place, Jesus was black.

Hoopguru · Jul 2, 2020

Orion Bailey · Jul 2, 2020

TorturedBlazerFan said: ↑

I understand, but it doesn't have to be either-or. Most successful societies I think need a well regulated (socialism) version of capitalism while using that capitalism to help the society prosper. I wish at some point we could talk IRL about some of this. I'm willing to listen and try to learn your perspective have some empathy. Cause I understand my life experiences as a white guy certainly is different than yours as a black man. I have legit after our very first encounter anyways, liked and respected you and in person, I think you're a great dude. I have been around some of the BLM stuff in Forest Grove though I don't think it's going on anymore could be wrong but the guy who was organizing it seemed to have stopped. I know in every area the... demands are different and there are different things going on, but I was very much getting the hey if you aren't basically willing to accept the far-left politics we don't want you here vibes, and some of the protests were barely even talking about Black Lives even though they were holding some signs.

You brought up Malcolm X earlier but honestly my experiences (albeit in kind of a remote corner of a remote state), totally reminded me of what he said. Which talking about something that might ruffle some feathers...

“The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the black man. Let me explain what I mean by the white liberal. In America there is no such thing as Democrat or Republican anymore. In America you have liberals and conservatives. The only people living in the past who think in terms of I’m a Democrat or Republican, is the American Negro. He’s the one that runs around bragging about party affiliation. He’s the one that sticks to the Democrat or sticks to the Republican. But white people are divided into two groups, liberals and conservative. The Democrats who are conservative, vote with the Republicans who are conservative. The Democrats who are liberal vote with the Republicans that are liberal. The white liberal aren’t white people who are for independence, who are moral and ethical in their thinking. They are just a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. The same as the white conservative is a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. They are fighting each other for power and prestige, and the one that is the football in the game is the Negro, 20 million black people. A political football, a political pawn, an economic football, and economic pawn. A social football, a social pawn. The liberal elements of whites are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the Negro as a friend of the Negro. Getting sympathy of the Negro, getting the allegiance of the Negro, and getting the mind of the Negro. Then the Negro sides with the white liberal, and the white liberal use the Negro against the white conservative. So that anything that the Negro does is never for his own good, never for his own advancement, never for his own progress, he’s only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal. The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros, and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn’t taken, tricked, or deceived by the white liberal then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man. The only way that our problem will be solved is when the black man wakes up, clean himself up, stand on his own feet and stop begging the white man, and take immediate steps to do for ourselves the things that we have been waiting on the white man to do for us. Once we do for self then we will be able to solve our own problems’ "The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.”

― Malcolm X
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You said I could post this!!! Thief!

PtldPlatypus said: ↑

I don't even understand why it matters what color Jesus was. The notion has never had even the slightest impact on my relationship with Him.

God spoke out of a burning bush--maybe He's actually green? Can we just go with that?
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Its the depiction or assertion of Whites that A man of middle Eastern Decent is now White in order to potentially better fit their comfort zone, rather than having to admit that the person being worshipped was of a different color.

Blood runs and looks the same, but when we are talking about a depiction of a person, we should be accurate in their portrayal, or its like a slap in the face to all that are the same as him.

I've witnessed a Black person be completely degraded for walling up a picture of a dark skinned Jesus. I had to step in and tell them to shut thier hole.

e_blazer · Jul 2, 2020

Here's a forensic extrapolation from skulls of Semitic males of Jesus' time period as to what he generally could have looked like. It seems as good of an estimation as is possible. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a234/1282186/

Mediocre Man · Jul 2, 2020

dviss1 said: ↑

MM did and you gave him cover.

Just like there were pre-Columbian Mariners from Africa hundreds of years before Columbus "discovered" this place, Jesus was black.
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MM did nothing of the sort. MM said no one knows, but most likely olive skinned. YOU are the one claiming he was a certain color

riverman · Jul 2, 2020

I think it's pretty obvious the bible was written dow by cloistered European monks and they gentrified Jesus.....he's Palestinian....no way he looked like Tom Cruise in Rock Star...and quoting the old testament concerning him being "fairer" doesn't make any sense at all...different period of history the time of David compared to the birth of Jesus

dviss1 · Jul 2, 2020

Hoopguru said: ↑

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Imma need you to stop whitewashing Dr Dr King's legacy and SHAME on you for doing it!

Martin Luther King was an enemy to white people. He peacefully marched and white folk killed them for it. Let's not forget how Martin Luther King died. The gunshot wound did not kill him. He was smothered in the hospital by his fucking doctor. Then nobody talks about how his mother was killed months later... So don't tell people how they are supposed to respond to an oppression that you have never felt and never will feel. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for doing what white people have done for decades... Whitewashing his legacy... White people didn't like Martin Luther King! They HATED him so let's not pretend like he wasn't being watched by the FBI...

And for every Martin Luther King Jr. Quote you look up I can find one too...

dviss1 · Jul 2, 2020

Mediocre Man said: ↑

MM did nothing of the sort. MM said no one knows, but most likely olive skinned. YOU are the one claiming he was a certain color
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You certainly implied it. Saying he was fair skinned.

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