OT Kate Smith "God Bless America" banned

Orion Bailey · Jul 1, 2020

ABM said: ↑

Me, too, man! Me, too!

Hey, when are the all-powerful mods gonna finally acquiesce and let you back in here??
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And @bodyman.

A life sentence without parole seems extreme.

@SlyPokerDog don't make us protest on your front lawn!

Minstrel · Jul 1, 2020

Mediocre Man said: ↑

Just her version, I believe. The Flyers took down her statue as well.
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Hey, how topical. I'm glad the hits never change.

PtldPlatypus · Jul 1, 2020

ABM said: ↑

Me, too, man! Me, too!

Hey, when are the all-powerful mods gonna finally acquiesce and let you back in here??
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Orion Bailey said: ↑

And @bodyman.

A life sentence without parole seems extreme.

@SlyPokerDog don't make us protest on your front lawn!
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When posters are banned, and then they repeatedly state via other communication modes post-banning that if they were to return, they would unabashedly continue the behavior that got them banned in the first place, "parole" isn't really a realistic option.

Orion Bailey · Jul 1, 2020

PtldPlatypus said: ↑

When posters are banned, and then they repeatedly state via other communication modes post-banning that if they were to return, they would unabashedly continue the behavior that got them banned in the first place, "parole" isn't really a realistic option.
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Fair enough. Wasn't aware.

Has there been a recent parole hearing to determine if they are still of that mindset, or maybe time has provided a bit of compromise?

PtldPlatypus · Jul 1, 2020

Orion Bailey said: ↑

Fair enough. Wasn't aware.

Has there been a recent parole hearing to determine if they are still of that mindset, or maybe time has provided a bit of compromise?
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That I wouldn't know.

Rastapopoulos · Jul 1, 2020

Mediocre Man said: ↑

So the Flyers and Yankees cease using the song immediately due to stereotypical lyrics on 2 songs sung by Kate Smith in the 30's. One of those songs was apparently a parody recorded with an African American. Kate Smith, a true American hero, raising the equivalent in 2019 of 11 billion dollars to fight the Nazis during WWII. Incidentally the songs in question came out 20 years before the Yankees employed a black player.

Thoughts without a flame war?
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As someone from England, I will never understand the relevance of nationalism to club sports. Find a fucking song FOR YOUR TEAM and play that. Imagine if Liverpool had to play God Save The Queen instead of You'll Never Walk Alone. Or, you can have songs associated with specific events, like Abide With Me and the FA Cup final:

As featured in this classic:

Lanny · Jul 1, 2020

MARIS61 said: ↑

First they came for Kate Smith...and I said nothing...
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Then they came for Hitler, then they came for Mussolini, then they came for Tojo, then they came for Stalin, then they came for Trump. I'm seeing a pattern here.

Lanny · Jul 1, 2020

MARIS61 said: ↑

Slavery in America was a heinous crime by Britain and other European countries, with America and many other countries being no worse than willing and naive victims.

Get off the internet, go to a Real Library, and for starters research how Britain, Holland, Portugal and several African governments kidnapped Africans, then sold and shipped them all over North and South America. The slave trade was established here by Britain and Holland long before 1776, and in fact was at least a minor factor in the American Revolution. No other countries in the world bear more blame than Britain and Holland, which to this day still practice slavery of their own citizens, albeit in a much more subtle form. The British Industrial revolution was financed by the profits of the slave trade almost entirely. Britain had a far more insidious goal for promoting, supplying slaves to the Americas, which was to make their economies totally reliant on Britain for industrial and agricultural labor. It was the key tool they used for conquest of new territories spanning the globe. With the end of slavery in most of the Americas, the British Empire began to collapse and lost most of their influence and power over the next centuries in revolts inspired by the heroic patriots of the American Revolution and the American Civil War. Britain is now just another small, whiny european country with no major influence over anyone, hiding/denying it's reprehensible past. Portugal, Denmark and Sweden also traded in slaves. America received a tiny fraction of slaves, with 95% of all slaves being shipped to the Caribbean sugar plantations, Mexico, Brazil, and Spanish-controlled parts of South America.

Blaming Americans, Brazilians, Argentinians...for the slave trade is like blaming the opioid epidemic on the addicts.

But go ahead and google it if you prefer, as it is indisputable common knowledge.

A few examples:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-the-trade.pdf

Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 when the British slave trade was abolished. It is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.

The profits of slavery were ploughed back into the economy and helped to develop industry in Britain and its colonies. Manchester became an important textile centre, where factories made cloth from cheap slave picked cotton. Much of this cloth was sold back to the Africans in return for more slaves.

Brazil was the last country in the Western world to abolish slavery. By the time it was abolished after years of campaigning by Emperor Pedro II, in 1888, an estimated four million slaves had been imported from Africa to Brazil, 40% of the total number of slaves brought to the Americas.

In 1981, Mauritania became the last country in the world to abolish slavery, when a presidential decree abolished the practice. However, no criminal laws were passed to enforce the ban.

Among the last states to abolish slavery were Saudi Arabia and Yemen, which abolished slavery in 1962 under pressure from Britain; Oman in 1970; and Mauritania in 1905, 1981, and again in August 2007.

Atlantic slave trade was banned or suspended during the American Revolutionary War. This was part of the 13 colonies overall policy of refusing to import anything from Britain, as an attempt to cut all economic ties with Britain during the war. The move decimated the British Empire financially.

British colonies in North America began abolishing slavery 100 years before Britain followed suit, with some backpeddling in later years as Britain exerted more domination over laws in their colonies:

1732-Georgia-Province established without black slavery in sharp contrast to neighboring Carolina. In 1738, James Oglethorpe warns against changing that policy, which would "occasion the misery of thousands in Africa."[41] Native American slavery is legal throughout, however, and black slavery is later introduced in 1749.

1738-Florida-Fort Mosé, the first legal settlement of free blacks in what is today the United States, is established. Word of the settlement sparks the Stono Rebellion in South Carolina the following year.

1775-Pennsylvania-Pennsylvania Abolition Society formed in Philadelphia, the first abolition society within the territory that is now the United States of America.

1777-Vermont-The Constitution of the Vermont Republic partially bans slavery,[48] freeing men over 21 and women older than 18 at the time of its passage.[49] The ban is not strongly enforced.[
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Slavery was heinous WHOEVER practiced it. Jim Crow laws were also heinous as is their legacy.

dviss1 · Jul 2, 2020

MARIS61 said: ↑

Slavery in America was a heinous crime by Britain and other European countries, with America and many other countries being no worse than willing and naive victims.

Get off the internet, go to a Real Library, and for starters research how Britain, Holland, Portugal and several African governments kidnapped Africans, then sold and shipped them all over North and South America. The slave trade was established here by Britain and Holland long before 1776, and in fact was at least a minor factor in the American Revolution. No other countries in the world bear more blame than Britain and Holland, which to this day still practice slavery of their own citizens, albeit in a much more subtle form. The British Industrial revolution was financed by the profits of the slave trade almost entirely. Britain had a far more insidious goal for promoting, supplying slaves to the Americas, which was to make their economies totally reliant on Britain for industrial and agricultural labor. It was the key tool they used for conquest of new territories spanning the globe. With the end of slavery in most of the Americas, the British Empire began to collapse and lost most of their influence and power over the next centuries in revolts inspired by the heroic patriots of the American Revolution and the American Civil War. Britain is now just another small, whiny european country with no major influence over anyone, hiding/denying it's reprehensible past. Portugal, Denmark and Sweden also traded in slaves. America received a tiny fraction of slaves, with 95% of all slaves being shipped to the Caribbean sugar plantations, Mexico, Brazil, and Spanish-controlled parts of South America.

Blaming Americans, Brazilians, Argentinians...for the slave trade is like blaming the opioid epidemic on the addicts.

But go ahead and google it if you prefer, as it is indisputable common knowledge.

A few examples:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-the-trade.pdf

Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 when the British slave trade was abolished. It is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.

The profits of slavery were ploughed back into the economy and helped to develop industry in Britain and its colonies. Manchester became an important textile centre, where factories made cloth from cheap slave picked cotton. Much of this cloth was sold back to the Africans in return for more slaves.

Brazil was the last country in the Western world to abolish slavery. By the time it was abolished after years of campaigning by Emperor Pedro II, in 1888, an estimated four million slaves had been imported from Africa to Brazil, 40% of the total number of slaves brought to the Americas.

In 1981, Mauritania became the last country in the world to abolish slavery, when a presidential decree abolished the practice. However, no criminal laws were passed to enforce the ban.

Among the last states to abolish slavery were Saudi Arabia and Yemen, which abolished slavery in 1962 under pressure from Britain; Oman in 1970; and Mauritania in 1905, 1981, and again in August 2007.

Atlantic slave trade was banned or suspended during the American Revolutionary War. This was part of the 13 colonies overall policy of refusing to import anything from Britain, as an attempt to cut all economic ties with Britain during the war. The move decimated the British Empire financially.

British colonies in North America began abolishing slavery 100 years before Britain followed suit, with some backpeddling in later years as Britain exerted more domination over laws in their colonies:

1732-Georgia-Province established without black slavery in sharp contrast to neighboring Carolina. In 1738, James Oglethorpe warns against changing that policy, which would "occasion the misery of thousands in Africa."[41] Native American slavery is legal throughout, however, and black slavery is later introduced in 1749.

1738-Florida-Fort Mosé, the first legal settlement of free blacks in what is today the United States, is established. Word of the settlement sparks the Stono Rebellion in South Carolina the following year.

1775-Pennsylvania-Pennsylvania Abolition Society formed in Philadelphia, the first abolition society within the territory that is now the United States of America.

1777-Vermont-The Constitution of the Vermont Republic partially bans slavery,[48] freeing men over 21 and women older than 18 at the time of its passage.[49] The ban is not strongly enforced.[
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George Washington's teeth weren't made of wood nor hippo Ivory. They were teeth from slaves.

Slavery wasn't abolished until 1868 (FUCK TEXAS). Do the math and stop blaming the initial colonizers for what their children continued. But look at you...

Making excuses for slavery is racist...

Binx · Jul 3, 2020

MARIS61 said: ↑

Slavery in America was a heinous crime by Britain and other European countries, with America and many other countries being no worse than willing and naive victims.

Get off the internet, go to a Real Library, and for starters research how Britain, Holland, Portugal and several African governments kidnapped Africans, then sold and shipped them all over North and South America. The slave trade was established here by Britain and Holland long before 1776, and in fact was at least a minor factor in the American Revolution. No other countries in the world bear more blame than Britain and Holland, which to this day still practice slavery of their own citizens, albeit in a much more subtle form. The British Industrial revolution was financed by the profits of the slave trade almost entirely. Britain had a far more insidious goal for promoting, supplying slaves to the Americas, which was to make their economies totally reliant on Britain for industrial and agricultural labor. It was the key tool they used for conquest of new territories spanning the globe. With the end of slavery in most of the Americas, the British Empire began to collapse and lost most of their influence and power over the next centuries in revolts inspired by the heroic patriots of the American Revolution and the American Civil War. Britain is now just another small, whiny european country with no major influence over anyone, hiding/denying it's reprehensible past. Portugal, Denmark and Sweden also traded in slaves. America received a tiny fraction of slaves, with 95% of all slaves being shipped to the Caribbean sugar plantations, Mexico, Brazil, and Spanish-controlled parts of South America.

Blaming Americans, Brazilians, Argentinians...for the slave trade is like blaming the opioid epidemic on the addicts.

But go ahead and google it if you prefer, as it is indisputable common knowledge.

A few examples:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-the-trade.pdf

Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 when the British slave trade was abolished. It is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.

The profits of slavery were ploughed back into the economy and helped to develop industry in Britain and its colonies. Manchester became an important textile centre, where factories made cloth from cheap slave picked cotton. Much of this cloth was sold back to the Africans in return for more slaves.

Brazil was the last country in the Western world to abolish slavery. By the time it was abolished after years of campaigning by Emperor Pedro II, in 1888, an estimated four million slaves had been imported from Africa to Brazil, 40% of the total number of slaves brought to the Americas.

In 1981, Mauritania became the last country in the world to abolish slavery, when a presidential decree abolished the practice. However, no criminal laws were passed to enforce the ban.

Among the last states to abolish slavery were Saudi Arabia and Yemen, which abolished slavery in 1962 under pressure from Britain; Oman in 1970; and Mauritania in 1905, 1981, and again in August 2007.

Atlantic slave trade was banned or suspended during the American Revolutionary War. This was part of the 13 colonies overall policy of refusing to import anything from Britain, as an attempt to cut all economic ties with Britain during the war. The move decimated the British Empire financially.

British colonies in North America began abolishing slavery 100 years before Britain followed suit, with some backpeddling in later years as Britain exerted more domination over laws in their colonies:

1732-Georgia-Province established without black slavery in sharp contrast to neighboring Carolina. In 1738, James Oglethorpe warns against changing that policy, which would "occasion the misery of thousands in Africa."[41] Native American slavery is legal throughout, however, and black slavery is later introduced in 1749.

1738-Florida-Fort Mosé, the first legal settlement of free blacks in what is today the United States, is established. Word of the settlement sparks the Stono Rebellion in South Carolina the following year.

1775-Pennsylvania-Pennsylvania Abolition Society formed in Philadelphia, the first abolition society within the territory that is now the United States of America.

1777-Vermont-The Constitution of the Vermont Republic partially bans slavery,[48] freeing men over 21 and women older than 18 at the time of its passage.[49] The ban is not strongly enforced.[
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Excellent and well-researched post that I doubt most of the virtue warriors even bothered to read.

barfo · Jul 3, 2020

And Charles Manson is a great guy because he didn't kill anywhere near as many people as Hitler.

barfo

Lanny · Jul 3, 2020

Binx said: ↑

Excellent and well-researched post that I doubt most of the virtue warriors even bothered to read.
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I've learned that virtually all of his posts are not worth of reading.

Minstrel · Jul 3, 2020

It seemed inevitable that Binx and MARIS would one day find each other. I've never seen two souls better matched.

UncleCliffy'sDaddy · Jul 3, 2020

Minstrel said: ↑

It seemed inevitable that Binx and MARIS would one day find each other. I've never seen two souls better matched.
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Hold on.....not sure either has a soul....

Lanny · Jul 3, 2020

UncleCliffy'sDaddy said: ↑

Hold on.....not sure either has a soul....
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Unlike Trump, I do think they have souls worth saving, if that's possible, but then I do believe in miracles.

dviss1 · Jul 3, 2020

Lanny said: ↑

Unlike Trump, I do think they have souls worth saving, if that's possible, but then I do believe in miracles.
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Have fun with that one. I'm done attempting to convert that ilk...

ABM · Jul 3, 2020

Minstrel said: ↑

It seemed inevitable that Binx and MARIS would one day find each other. I've never seen two souls better matched.
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I need to jump in. What a magnificent triumvirate!

SlyPokerDog · Jul 3, 2020

ABM said: ↑

I need to jump in. What a magnificent triumvirate!
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Et tu ABM'te?

Minstrel · Jul 3, 2020

ABM said: ↑

I need to jump in. What a magnificent triumvirate!
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You need to jump in on "systemic racism doesn't exist and America actually has a pretty good record when it comes to slavery?" I wouldn't really have expected that of you, to be honest.

ABM · Jul 4, 2020

Minstrel said: ↑

You need to jump in on "systemic racism doesn't exist and America actually has a pretty good record when it comes to slavery?" I wouldn't really have expected that of you, to be honest.
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Everyone wants to complain....but not so many want to do anything about it. I'm more about living my life that exemplifies love for my fellow man/woman, than marching streets, rioting, tearing down statues, or whatever. Hey, don't get me wrong, there are many who are protesting, while practicing peace. I'm ALL about that. The arguing back and forth about the issues solves nothing, though. I've already related plenty of times in here about some of the things I'm doing (and will be doing once things get opened up a bit more), so I have nothing to be ashamed of. Many in here label me a racist, which is THE most absurd thing I can think of. These days, arbitrarily calling someone else a racist has almost become some type of vogue remark, which, in and of itself, is a sad statement in its own right. Many on the left are their own worst enemies and would do well to find non-destructive means to work towards finding solutions. There are Blacks who will hate white folks no matter what happens. Some situations are beyond repair. I do understand that.

One scripture that comes to mind is:

Romans 12:18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

There's the obvious message here. One aspect not so obvious is that I may not be able to live at peace with everyone. Therefore, do so "as far as it depends one me" and be content in that understanding.

I'm not burying my head in the sand on this issue. Nor am I gonna shine up the battle apple. (with recognition to Steely Dan.)

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