OT Black Man In Minnesota Dies After Cop Kneels On His Neck/ Portland Riots

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  1. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Well, cool you just stand proud and speak for yourself, amigo.
     
  2. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Again, this is taken directly from BLM's website:

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    Police unions have used their influence to establish unfair protections for police officers in their contracts with local, state and federal government and in statewide Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights. These provisions create one set of rules for police and another for civilians, and make it difficult for Police Chiefs or civilian oversight structures to punish police officers who are unfit to serve. Learn more about how police union contracts help officers avoid accountability here.
    POLICY SOLUTIONS
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    Remove barriers to effective misconduct investigations and civilian oversight

    Remove contract provisions, local policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that:

    • allow officers to wait 48 hours or more before being interrogated after an incident

    • prevent investigators from pursuing other cases of misconduct revealed during an investigation

    • prevent an officer's name or picture from being released to the public

    • prohibit civilians from having the power to discipline, subpoena or interrogate police officers

    • state that the Police Chief has the sole authority to discipline police officers

    • enable officers to appeal a disciplinary decision to a hearing board of other police officers

    • enable officers to use the contract grievance process to have an outside arbitrator reverse disciplinary decisions and reinstate officers who have committed misconduct

    • prevent an officer from being investigated for an incident that happened 100 or more days prior

    • allow an officer to choose not to take a lie detector test without being punished, require the civilian who is accusing that officer of misconduct to pass a lie detector first, or prevent the officer's test results from being considered as evidence of misconduct
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    Keep officers' disciplinary history accessible to police departments and the public

    Remove contract provisions, local and state policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that allow police officers to:

    • expunge or destroy records of past misconduct (both sustained and unsustained) from their disciplinary file

    • prevent their disciplinary records from being released to the public via a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request
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    Ensure financial accountability for officers and police departments that kill or seriously injure civilians

    Remove contract provisions, local policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that:

    • require officers to be given paid administrative leave or paid desk-duty during an investigation following a police shooting or other use of deadly force

    • prevent officers from receiving unpaid suspensions as discipline for misconduct or allow officers to use vacation or discretionary time to pay themselves while on suspension

    • allow officers to receive paid leave or paid desk-duty after being charged with a felony offense
    Campaign Zero reviewed the police union contracts in 81 of the largest U.S. cities. 72 of the 81 cities' contracts imposed at least one barrier to holding police accountable. Learn more at CheckthePolice.org.

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    HOW POLICE UNION CONTRACTS BLOCK ACCOUNTABILITY
    1. Disqualifying misconduct complaints that are submitted too many days after an incident occurs or if an investigation takes too long to complete

    2. Preventing police officers from being interrogated immediately after being involved in an incident or otherwise restricting how, when, or where they can be interrogated

    3. Giving officers access to information that civilians do not get prior to being interrogated

    4. Requiring cities to pay costs related to police misconduct including by giving officers paid leave while under investigation, paying legal fees, and/or the cost of settlements

    5. Preventing information on past misconduct investigations from being recorded or retained in an officer's personnel file

    6. Limiting disciplinary consequences for officers or limiting the capacity of civilian oversight structures and/or the media to hold police accountable.
    https://www.joincampaignzero.org/contracts
     
  3. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I'll do that and so will my wife, amigo
     
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  4. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Crap, my search wasn't as good as yours.

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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Black Lives Matter activists finally have an answer to critics demanding specific policy proposals.

    This has been a central question posed to the movement, which aims to eliminate racial disparities in the criminal justice system, since it rose to national prominence following the police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. A lot of groups — from supporters to media to Hillary Clinton — have challenged the movement to define its policy agenda.

    https://www.vox.com/2015/8/21/9188729/police-black-lives-matter-campaign-zero
     
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    Road Ratt King of my own little world

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    Well at least you guys are finally agreeing on what I think is the biggest issue with police reform...the unions.
     
  8. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    I did see that 2015 version. Do they have the same message today?

    Nonetheless, I don't really care. I'm connecting with Woodson's group. Their message is compelling to me.
     
  9. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    You can bet on that.
     
  10. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Funny when a fascist calls someone else a fascist, for doing things that are fully anti fascist.
     
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    Again, click the site and investigate yourself.

    It clearly shows that some of the things they are proposing are or have been tried by cities and the results. These things are continually updated.

    There is a lot of good and interesting information there if you want to have an informed discussion.

    Some I agree with and some that I don't.

    I purposely posted that article from 2015 to show that this is an ongoing discussion.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    It really is an obscure world. Isn't it?
     
  13. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    I guess I'm missing the link directly to BLM's website that discusses the Campaign Zero rhetoric.
     
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    I'm sorry that you don't care. I do find it interesting that you support Woodson's easily disprovable views on BLM and that those views are compelling to you when you refuse to read the messages he is misrepresenting.

    Up until today you didn't even know the group that is behind the 1776 Unite when it was displayed on their video.
     
  15. ABM

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    They aren't even mentioned on their website. The 1776 group are pretty much independent thinkers.

    You have a problem with the 1776 Unites group? I'm sorry if they don't always cow tow to the corporate line of BLM.
     
  16. SlyPokerDog

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    I would say this is a bit more than a mention.

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    I've already said I'm sure they do good. What I have a problem with is them misrepresenting other groups.

    I don't know what this means.

    If you're saying that some corporations have donated to BLM then sure.

    But corporations also donate to CRC. If that means they "cow tow" then sure.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capit...orted that,more than $265,000 from ExxonMobil.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    In some aspects, yes. Though I'm not sure you mean obscure.
     
  18. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    I understand that you have your certain viewpoints, but I'm still not certain Woodson is misrepresenting BLM. As I mentioned earlier, I'm still researching various aspects of BLM. I still don't know that I trust the group "as a whole". The jury's still out with me.

    ....the Left and Right are often discussing different things and don’t realize they’re talking past each other. To the center-Left, Black Lives Matter is a decentralized rallying cry to bring attention to the cause of police violence. But to the Right and the far-Left, Black Lives Matter is a specific group, with specific chapters and leadership, with radical goals that go far beyond ending police brutality.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Abstractedly speaking, yes. Kettles calling pots black are a dime a dozen
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    But the rest is history, and every cloud has a silver lining, and don't cry over spilt milk.
     
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