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  1. e_blazer

    e_blazer Rip City Fan

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    It’s really not that difficult to tell the two groups apart. When’s the last time you decided to participate in a protest for social justice and thought, “Gotta grab my framing hammer, fireworks, respirator, shield, bolt cutters, and leaf blower”?
     
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    But what is ABM? What is your be all end all answer then?

    Christianity clearly isn't, just sift through their history. Republicanism isn't, just sift through their history.


    It seems you want some, "end all, be all" answer in order to support any of it and there will never be an "end all, be all" answer for anything. We are too diverse as humans.

    Do you not think it would be wise and prudent to support some things you agree with in movements in order to facilitate progression to something better? Or would you rather suppress what parts you may agree with simply because you don't agree with others portions of their movement?

    I think the best thing we can do as a society and government moving forward, is drop all of this historical labeling of "one way is the right way" politics and start picking through all types of government, pulling the parts that have proven to work and make sense and start pooling these ideals and programs together to form something new.

    Its kind of like economics/wall street. You typically don't want to put all your eggs in one basket. you want to spread them out, see what works and go from there.

    Not all programs or ideals will work or come to fruition for BLM, just like it doesn't for any political assembly.

    You seem to be focused on the outlier ideals, instead of the meat of the movement that the masses of BLM support.


    Not all Republicans support all republican ideals, but they can still be republicans and support the ones they believe in.

    Why cant BLM members and supporters do the same?
     
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    The leaf blower. That's the sure sign. @SlyPokerDog is a rioter.
     
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    Oh, he has to carry that all the time. He’s pretty gassy and uses the leaf blower to disperse the offending odors.
     
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    Don't you love that? I'm not sure what kind of monster would say, "Inclusivity? That's awful."
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    So ABM's evolving viewpoint at this issue is:

    1. Government shouldn't be involved in dismantling the systemic racism that often requires power to effect; it should be up to grassroots movements

    AND

    2. Grassroots movements fighting systemic racism like BLM are highly suspicious and shouldn't be supported
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    That's the way 70% of the public thinks, also.

    That seems to be a pretty healthy way to look at sexual identity as well as look at misogyny.
     
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    I guess a Trump supporter would have a problem with a statement on equality. No one who believes in equality could support Trump.
     
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    Wrong again.

    ABM's viewpoint on #2 is:

    Grassroots movements fighting systemic racism like BLM may be highly suspicious and should continue to be evaluated. This, considering there are many within their own ranks (i.e. other Blacks, both, individually, as well as corporately) who very much are challenging BLM's so-called mission and/or bottom-line motives.
     
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    Which corporations are you talking about?



    You won't read or discuss anything they have written but instead continually shit on them and promote wild conspiracy theories and fallacies.



    But let's discuss this statement: "This, considering there are many within their own ranks (i.e. other Blacks, both, individually, as well as corporately) who very much are challenging BLM's so-called mission and/or bottom-line motives."

    The videos that you have posted by black people criticizing BLM are not by BLM members. Are you saying these "ranks" are their skin color?

    I guess that puts you in the ranks of the KKK, right?
     
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    But before you were saying grassroots movements were the right way to do things.

    It starts to sound like you feel nothing really should be done to combat systemic racism, except perhaps to pray. (After all, the thing you respect about Martin Luther King Jr. is that he's a man of faith--if he hadn't been, I suspect you wouldn't namecheck him so much.)
     
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    When did I say every grassroots movement was the way to do things?
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    OK, Mr. literal. Sorry for the miss on my part.

    There are many Blacks who happen to disagree with the BLM movement. Both, individually and corporately.

    There, how's that?

    I've read through the BLM website and mission statement. They've been at this since 2013. As I mentioned elsewhere, I don't see them as the be all, end all. Personally, as I had also mentioned, I like what I'm seeing with the 1776 message/movement, although, I still have much to learn there.

    Just because I may not be aligned with BLM, certainly doesn't mean I'm not concerned about the same issues.
     
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    ME! I'M THE LEADER...

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    It is NOT ironic that a country founded on racism and genocide will scratch and claw to keep the racist system in place.
     
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    Get your priorities straight. You care more about property than people and ALL you've seen of the protests is from network news.

    Black lives matter much more than your white tears.
     
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    If you knew anything about the situation you would know that our crowds Are about 25,000 deep and are 90% White.

    You have a problem with opening your mouth and not having intelligent information come out...

    People like you are the reason why I don't frequent this forum often.
     
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    You didn't, but it sure seems like it's difficult for black people to get your approval in fighting systemic racism. Not that they need it, thankfully, but you might want to reflect on the fact that apparently no existing approach to fighting systemic racism works for you. You might just be on the side of systemic racism. It's at least something you should consider.
     
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    He's another one who's whitewashing King's history. I bet he was on the wrong side of History then just like he is today... Here's a King quote for you @ABM:

    “Certain conditions continue to exist in our society, which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention”

    - Dr. Martin Luther King
     
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    When one doesn't want to fight racism one won't. Largely because it's probably never affected that one ever in life.
     
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