Politics Turning GA, NC, NV, and/or PA into victory (Biden vs Trump, 2020 election!)

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  1. Minstrel

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    I agree--that's why Sanders came from out of nowhere in 2016. Populism was big and both Sanders and Trump tapped into it. Trump was helped in his primary by being up against a bunch of people who split the vote for a while, whereas Sanders had to compete with an establishment favorite who had largely cleared the field. I think if Trump had been up against one establishment favorite the entire time, while Sanders had a divided field (like 2020's), I think it's quite possible Sanders wins the Democratic nomination and Trump doesn't win the Republican nomination.
     
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    I think it (and this might be confirmation bias as I havent studied it up that much), is evidence that while people may have different ideas on how to get government to a certain place. People generally agree on and want similar thing’s. I think there is a lot of money and such involved in making people think they’re isolated from others, or that other people are there enemies.
     
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    I think it ebbs and flows. At times, people lose trust in government and "elites" and want "regular guys" who will be "about the people." And at other times, they want people who seem practiced and efficient at governance. I don't think that's random, I think one is a response to the other. Populism is a backlash against a feeling that government is becoming too bureaucratic and filled with cronyism and then there's a backlash to populism when people feel that government is ineffective. The Democratic primary wasn't populist at all, which is why Sanders couldn't capitalize on a large field and I suspect this won't be a populist year in the general either. A huge pandemic and a sense that the government (especially at the federal level) was totally overmatched will do that.
     
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    I listen to a lot of political crap and I honestly have no idea what the general election is gonna look like... The right seems to think they're gonna blow out the democrats and vice versa. The only thing that the political commentators seem to agree on is the country is in a not so great place...
     
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    I had read where independants have grown at a faster rate than gems & repub's, and even libertarians are growing at a faster rate than all parties. Currently, Ind. represent 29.9% Republicans 28.87% & Dems 39% of registered voters. If republicans & democrats lean to far right or left and there are factions within the parties it could prove to be interesting to see what happens in the future.
     
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    To be fair and I always say I'm an independent though the political tests I've taken always say I'm probably closest aligned with libertarians, I think many people say they're "independent" and just about always end up voting for the same party.
     
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    agree...I think a great % of independents are partisan for sure, but as the 2 major get to extreme, that could change some.
    I was a demo for years and even a republican for a while, Im an independent now but probably align more with libertarians, as for me weighted criteria starts with fiscal responsibility, smaller government with social programs that help, and I lean more capitalism for innovations and competition which can benefit consumers and provide opportunity.
     
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    Perhaps a qualitative analysis would be more appropriate for you. This would include a much more general quantitative analysis. e.g. Which party do you think relies more on science and expertise. You don't need exact figures.
     
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    Even with quantitative analysis weights are usually put in based on human bias. I don't know if anyone has actually done quantitative analysis on who is more likely to be gullible (for lack of a better word). I also don't know how I'd weight the notion of who "relies more on science and experts", would that be considered a good thing or a bad thing in this analysis. On one hand, you have better transmission of data, because there is a trust there that said scientist or expert is trustworthy, and you can rely on them to tell the truth, which is definitely a good thing or at least can be if the information gave is good. On the other hand, if someone doesn't rely on the experts that could mean that they're going to seek out answers for themselves, and if the data given is "bad" they will not fall trap to it as easily. Which one is more gullible? I don't know.

    I think there are dangers in just saying well so and so is an expert so therefore just gonna do what they say. Also, think we've advanced science and technology quite a bit by building off of knowledge hard-earned by those before us. There's probably a good reason to balance those things out, but again not sure how I'd quantify all that, and I'm not totally sure which out-look is given to more 'gullibility'.

    If someone has done some sort of quantitative analysis on if your political views make you more or less likely to "buy" what someone is, "selling", I havent seen it.
     
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    Robin Williams on Biden and Trump. :biglaugh:

     
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    The quote was taken a little bit out of context here.

    The "it" that Joe doesn't "have" was an intimate relationship with the electorate. And that was from 2019, and at the time Joe wasn't the candidate yet.
     
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    Well, as we all know, Joe's gotten so much better. I swear he's running on all seven cylinders now.
     
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    I don't personally think the Democratic party is excited about Joe. They are excited about who they can put around him maybe, but that said the article is really not all that good...
     
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    I don't think the D part would be truly excited about anyone they put in. Just as if you really ask R's, they aren't that excited about Donald. They're stick with their guy though.
     
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    merge this dumb thread with the pirates for president thread..or the pedophile Joe thread....Posts aren't threads....I think obsessions el prez talked about in his safe space are exclusively Trump supporter obsessions...the forum members who never talk about anything but Trump or dems....never about basketball....now that's an unhealthy obsession ...the Blazers support BLM from ownership to front office to staff to players.....anyone who doesn't support that should immediately leave the forum for some place that is inclusive of their concerns....if you wouldn't say it to Damian Lillard....don't say it here..here you can take a knee when the anthem is playing and be respected
     
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