Politics The Postal Service, Voting, and Covid

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  1. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    I served with Fauci, Fauci was a friend of mine, sir, you're no Fauci.

    Okay, deep down, you know I'm full of shit. What can I say, that's my character. Can't help it.
     
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    What voter fraud have the democrats been doing this election? It's very obvious what voter fraud the republicans are doing but you keep posting as if both parties are equally bad. Just curious what you have.
     
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    Well, that post had nothing at all to do with what you're talking about...
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html


    New Jersey may or may not be a problem there's a lot to dig into there, seen interesting articles saying it's not a problem, and some saying it could be.

    I have said the democrats will cheat, just like the Republicans will because I believe they will. It's an opinion.
     
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    So you base your opinions without facts? Ok, so how will they cheat? Did they cheat on the last presidential election?
     
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    It's such a compelling argument when I continually post links as evidence supporting my thoughts and posted two links there about voter fraud and issues in the primaries...
    I doubt many of them even get read, which is fine.
    The post you quoted I didn't say anything about voter fraud though.
     
  7. julius

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    There's a high likelihood of 10 people out of 2 million ballots cast?

    And that most of them was just people voting in 2 states? And that they were caught and their votes didn't count? Including one who claimed he was sick and didn't even remember voting twice?

    And the other was an elderly woman taking care of her father in one state, voting there (why she would've registered is a different story all together), and then moved back to Oregon and voted there too.

    4 of the 10 people were all retirement age. There was one of a 18 year old who was registered in Oregon, but going to college in Colorado, and registered there too.

    there was also 14 extra cases that haven't be resolved (as of the writing the article). so Let's say 25 just for maths sake.

    That means people are freaking out over .0000125%.

    And of those cases, so far it doesn't sound like any of them are people cheating. At worst, you could argue that the lady who voted for her daughter "cheated" (tho there isn't enough information in the article to know if she called up her daughter and voted or not).
     
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    Did you read the first one?
    I'm not freaking out.
     
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    never said you did as not all threads go in a straight line, but you are always saying both sides are bad equally and I haven't seen any evidence of voter fraud by the democrats and asking if you have. If I missed your links I apologize but their are hundreds of threads and like I said the other day, it's hard to always remember who said what and I would rather hear it directly rather than associate you with something you may not have said. If you don't want to answer my questions then just say so.
     
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    And those were just examples, you can use google if you'd like there's tons of articles out there. I never claimed voter fraud was a huge issue though. I claimed I think both parties cheat a lot. There are more ways to cheat then ballot stuffing, and that type of stuff. Considering the democrats spent years talking about how Russia cheated and helped Trump, and complained about facebook memes, seems like Democrats know there are more than way to try to win an election.
    Yeah, I think there is good chance republicans and democrats cheat during elections. Apparently Democrats don't believe their party does it, and that's fine you can believe that I'm not trying to convince you otherwise.
     
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    btw, .0000125% of the total voter electorate (about 250m) is about 3000.

    And while you may not be "freaking out", you are bringing it up as if it's an actual issue.

    Making the claim, by anyone, that voter fraud for VBM is an actual issue, is done just to scare people into believing the latest con job by the GOP.
     
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    I think those are two separate issues. Vote by mail has been done in Oregon for 20+ years, and has been available in Washington (state) for longer than that. The # of fraud cases in both are so low that to even bring it up as an issue is laughable.
     
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    Sorry but no... I didn't bring it up... I was asked about it. I've said numerous times the "numbers" and the idea of if VBM / Voter fraud is an issue seems to be mostly a partisan one and I try to intentionally avoid posting links from websites I know heavily favor one side or the other, because especially on S2 if it's not neutral or to the left, it is dismissed outright which is fine.
     
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    The # of 'known' cases should be your sentence there. Do you think they catch all of it?
    Again though I didn't bring it up.
     
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    You'd think after 20+ years and several million ballots cast in Oregon (and Washington state), there'd be a large % of them based on this logic.

    Weird how there isn't.
     
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    Also, it's really not two separate issues. I said they'd both cheat, that was conflated to mean voter fraud which I didn't say. I did post some links about New Jersey's issues in the primaries. So when I say they cheat there are multiple ways they could and if they're really good at it then maybe we won't ever know.
     
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    Depends on how good they are at cheating. Do you think everyone who speeds gets caught?
     
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    Maybe a better question do you think Republicans cheat and Democrats don't? If so that would mean that Republicans are just very bad at it since they lost a lot in 2018...
     
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    Bad example.
    There's incentive to speed.
    There's no incentive to commit voter fraud.
    I think Republicans made an issue out of thin air so they would have an excuse to suppress voting by the disadvantaged whom usually vote for Democrats.
    There's very little fraudulent voting, virtually none, even by Republicans.
     
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    I think Republicans are much better at cheating than Democrats are.
     
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