Politics The Postal Service, Voting, and Covid

riverman's attempts at sarcasm always end up being taken as statements of fact, because that's what they are.

 

They were evidence that cheating happens. If I think people cheat and democrats are people, I think democrats cheat. You might be right about showing "significant" amounts of it, but I wasn't asked to provide evidence of significant voter fraud either.
I think the only reason you think of it is right-wing talking points is that the Overton window is so slammed to the left here that anything 'moderate' seems right-wing to most of the people here.
I don't know how much they cheat, but I certainly don't think Democrats are a bastion of purity when it comes to election antics, nor do I think republicans are.

 

LOL...now we have Maris, of all people, defining what 'fact' is

 

Frankly, I've taken several political tests and grade out similarly on all of them as sort of socially to the left, economically to the right and mostly aligned with moderate libertarian view points. So sure those are kinda silly I suppose but they seem to be pretty consistent. So, for whatever that's worth.

 

Actually I asked you. You just never answered it. Another issue is, you seem to classify all cheating as the same. You know the old "they all do it" mantra. That can be a cop out of not wanting to make a decision as it's just easier to lump all politicians into the same category equally and only separated by party affiliation. It would be like me saying all teenagers steal and compare equally to the teen that robs a gas station with a gun and another one robbing the same store of a candy bar. They both stole but nowhere even close to being comparable.

 

Well hey in Portland now I hear the DA will probably let you off on that.

 

Oh, I think I've made a choice it's just not a popular one with Republicans or Democrats.

 

have registered Democrats voted illegally. yes. Have registered Republicans voted illegally yes

but that's a dodge, IMO

when the discussion moves to Democrats or Repugnicans using the levers of their political power to influence election integrity, this is not a 'both-sides-do-it' situation. Only one side has engaged in a decades long jihad of suppressing opposition votes. And that has resulted in millions of suppressed votes. A universe of difference from the .0025% level of actual voting fraud. That is the reality whether you admit it or not

I honestly don't know why it's so hard for you to admit that what the R's have done to election integrity over the last 20 years is exponentially worse than anything the D's have done. You can hate Democrats for a variety of reasons, some legitimate, but it's just not credible, at all, to say there is Party equivalence in election interference

 

I think we should contract out postal services to the Russians and Chinese. It would make their meddling efforts so much more efficient.

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-democrats-suppress-the-vote/
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/19/opinions/democrats-need-reform-new-york-primary-weaver/index.html
https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2020/07/27/the-voter-suppression-myth/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrats-hate-gerrymanderingexcept-when-they-get-to-do-it
https://thefulcrum.us/worst-gerrymandering-districts-example/1-beside-lake-erie
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/14/18140773/new-jersey-democrats-gerrymandering-2018
https://www.newsweek.com/voter-frau...rats-want-steal-2020-election-opinion-1509180
https://nypost.com/2018/12/20/an-election-hacked-by-democrats/

Seriously though if you actually look for it, you can find articles, statistics, studies, etc all over the place about the bullcrap the Democrats and Republicans pull in terms of elections. It's not my fault that people can't use search engines to go find stuff. Lots of opinions out there.
Just because left-wing media is constantly saying that it's just republicans doesn't mean it's true, and I'm going to venture to guess that you and most of the people here spend much more time with left-wing media than entertaining possibilities outside of it.
There are right-wing, left-wing, sorta 'centers' websites. All linked above, and literally thousands of others if you actually go out and look for it.

I don't know who's "worse" at it, but if it makes you feel better say the Republicans than fine, you can say that.
The funny thing is about 60% of American's actually agree with me about their concerns with the November elections, because they all think the 'other side' is going to cheat. I'm really just agreeing with both.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/05/election-2020-trust-voters-doubt/612100/

The thing is you could post a million websites and crap back at me about how evil Republicans are, and all you or I are doing is playing into our own confirmation bias' and dismissing information we don't like because it doesn't fit.

Edit: And I did post sites that show republicans do bad stuff too, it's not about painting democrats as the 'bad' guys.

 

I think this seems to be your issue more than the current political dilema we're having heading into this election or you wouldn't be deep diving for anti democratic editorials for "I told you so" fuel....maybe try thinking of people here as individuals and leave the left/ right divisive tags at the door....I base my criticism on the words spoken by the people who are in power...not so much what is written about them but what they actually say and do.....we have a republican led govt and I simply do not like what they are doing or how they are doing it ....you can read every periodical on the internet and it doesn't change anything concerning right or wrong.....which is what we should focus on...not left or right. We are in an election campaign with a right wing president who's been impeached by Congress.....that's not CNN spin...it's a fact...

 

What was the name of the person you are voting for? and what background do they have

 

https://jo20.com/

 

Democrats wrong. Republicans wrong.

 

My reference was to your alluding to S2 forum members as being shallow, one sided uninformed left wing parrots......all owned by the media and its left leaning newsreels...I take exception to that..I think the news is fueled by current events and the AP feed has nothing to do with left or right but editorials tend to show that bias....after all this propping up of dislike for bipartisan govt...are you obstaining from the election?

 

and what makes you think she would be a better president? It's hard for a president to get much accomplished without the support of the senate and/or house.

 

Well, I never said that. I said that most of the posters here more than likely spend much more time with left-wing media, than media outside of that. If that's wrong than ok, I'm wrong.
I don't think wiz is stupid, or uninformed, or 'shallow', in fact probably the opposite of that. We just very much disagree about things, and yeah I'd venture to guess that he does spend much more time listening to media types that agree with his POV's than otherwise. I probably do too, though I try to listen to media from all over the political spectrum.

I've said a bunch of times that I'll vote libertarian again for president and probably independent in other elections...

 

ok.....didn't see this before...I voted libertarian last ticket...now I can't waste a vote on a losing cause again....democrats have issues but they are not wrong about wearing masks and social distancing...helping out the unemployed until there's a safe vaccine and world diplomacy...all areas the republicans are wrong about right now....this is about damage control...not about partisan sideshows....Trump has been impeached...that's not a normal election situation..I voted Gary Johnson last time....I vote Joe Biden this time