Notice NBPA explores next step toward potentially boycotting games

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  1. Orion Bailey

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    That could be said about a great many things then though. Anyone desiring a management position is someone who desires power over others no?
     
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    Oh okay, I was confused, lol.
     
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    I have that affect on people. ;)
     
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    Because "protestors" aren't an organization, like the police. They have no institutional power to "protect" others, they have no organization that hires and fires, there's no "protestor leadership" that gives them responsibility over other people to prevent them from doing what they're doing. Protestors are a bunch of people, many of them independent from each other. Sure, there are some organizations like BLM protesting, but if you run out there and start protesting, they have nothing to do with you and no authority to tell you to stop or make you stop. The police are an organization with responsibility and authority over other police and can suspend/fire and they can decide who to hire in the first place.

    I'm not sure how this is even a comparison.
     
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    Does that mean that all bullies either end up a criminal or a cop?
     
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    Anyway, I personally feel that people who intentionally put themselves in positions of greater community trust have a greater obligation to said community. Therefore I place police over protestors in your scenario. There's is a job that requires an oath. Being a protestor has no such oath. There are very few occupations that require an oath. And we should expect more from them because they have sworn to be more.

    Just like a priest, doctor, and cop, they all take a pledge and because of that they need to be held to the standard they swore to.
     
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    Physical power (which is what I said in my post)? Nope. While I'm sure plenty of managers are bullies, "manager" isn't a job you can just go out and get. At least nominally, you get that position by showing experience and competence at other positions first. It's not an easy way for people with bully tendencies to get power (especially physical power) over others.
     
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    Of course not, it's not literal. It's simply a way to express that both sides of that coin are refuges for that sort of person.
     
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    Lol, I was just messing with you, definitely needed to make that green.
     
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    to me its a matter or morality and a badge isnt gonna change that.
    If we want equality and justice it must happen in all facets in all arenas. If not it isnt equal.

    ww must point out and attempt to negate all bad actions. Cops, citizens, all people.
    No one gets pass because of their job, position, badge or civil stance.

    its real difficult to take a sect seriously when they cry foul on the other party but refuse to call it the same within thier own party.
     
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    I personally believe that people like the doctor for USA gymnastics, and priests who sexually abuse kids should receive a greater punishment than regular people who commit the same crime. Their positions of trust make it easier for them to do bad things and to hide those bad things.

    I put police in the same category.
     
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    Doctors kill a lot more people from bad doctoring every year than police, not disagreeing with you, but no one seems to care about that.
     
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    Someone like a bad cop can ruin so many more lives. Cops testify against people, collect evidence against people, can frame 100 people over their career. A protestor just doesn't have the same power over people.
     
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    Okay.

    Lots of people care about that. Is it to the point where protesting is needed? Is it malpractice or criminal?
     
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    I would also like to point out that forum moderators attract shitty people too :devilwink:
     
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    Protestors aren't a "party," though. It's like asking "if you want police to take responsibility for the bad cops, are you going to take responsibility the bad Americans?" I don't have the authority to do that. If a random person in my city or state or nation does a stupid or violent thing, that doesn't mean I enabled it. I didn't "hire" him to be an American. I don't get to set the rules he/she has to abide by. I don't get to suspend his citizenship or deport him for being a "bad American."

    Police forces get to decide who becomes a cop. They get to set the rules for their police force. They get to train them. They have the authority to suspend/fire them. They have the ability to use the power of their union to fight prosecution of members of their union. Organizations, especially professional organizations, have responsibility and authority that random groups of non-organized people do not have.
     
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

    Depends on the situation on whether its criminal or malpractice.
    Does it deserve protests, I dont know individuals can decide that for themselves. Its exponentially larger than police.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/08/police-shootings-are-leading-cause-death-young-american-men-new-research-shows/?outputType=amp

    Its not quite the same obviously their jobs are completely different. I am simply pointing out that you put them in a similar group, one causes significantly more deaths but has very little public outcry compared to the other.

    Again though, Im for police reform.
     
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    Forum admins are shitty people.

    Especially ones that claim to be dogs.
     
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    Yeah, but we had the power to fire you. I mean, fire those failed, shitty mods. :devilwink:
     
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