Politics The RNC convention that even fewer people watched

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  1. riverman

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    bullshit....that's not a fact....it's a sensationalized projection and there's no destruction in Lane County Oregon that's destroyed anything but some windows and paint jobs for half a block downtown once.....already fixed....pedal your doom somewhere else...you live in a real crime area that has always been a real crime area...what are you doing about that for your family? I'd move myself..choices
     
  2. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    My God, the depth of your denial is breathtaking. If you really and truly believe Trump has an actual list of positive accomplishments as the Pretender In Chief then the “nice guy” persona you present is not only a facade, but an utter fraud. I’m sorry, but people who genuinely care about other people don’t act or believe the way you seem to. I am truly grateful you are not my neighbor......or an Oregonian any longer. We are that much farther ahead because of it.
     
  3. ABM

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    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/opin...ccomplishment-deregulation-schultz/index.html
     
  4. TorturedBlazerFan

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    I'm not sure if it's positive or a negative in terms of 'accomplishment' and what that means for certain people, but many times what someone on one side might attribute as a positive accomplishment, someone on the other might say it was negative. Then with the system that we have, often times a "President" feels accomplished by tearing down another president's systems, and that is displayed more clearly.
    It's also interesting because very little can be done in this country without at least some 'bipartisan work' so negatives can be cast to someone else, presidents (especially guys like Trump) can say look at this good thing I did.
    Some positive things IMO that have happened in the last 4 years.
    A bipartisan bill to lower prescription drug costs.
    Bipartisan bill for HBCUs.
    Laws for Veterans Affairs Accountability / Whistleblower Protection
    The VALOR act (I can't say I know enough about how this played out but on paper from what I read it seemed positive).

    There have been some positive's over the last few years most of which have been bipartisan, the last year or so I think we've seen bipartisan temper off though.

    There's been a whole lot of negative too though... like a lot...
     
  5. SlyPokerDog

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    This mantra of regulations are bad or are punishments is bullshit. Some are overreaching or have become outdated or unnecessary. But many regulations come from citizens who see a problem and ask for help in solving it.

    Just because a regulation costs businesses money doesn't mean it's bad. Businesses will also look to cut corners. Some of those corners hurt consumers or neighbors of those businesses. Some of those regulations protect the workers at those businesses.

    Here is a list of Trump's deregulations. Some include things like clean air and clean water. Some of them were put into place to prevent situations where now we have to use EPA superfunds to clean them the fuck up.

    In Trump's list of deregulations we see some very basic and important things like clean air and clean water.

    Read through them and see if these "trumpeted" are really helping Americans or are helping businesses at the expense of Americans?

    https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/tracking-deregulation-in-the-trump-era/
     
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    I looked down through the list. There are pros and cons to everything. I'm sure there are good arguments on both sides. Without poring over each item, I will make a general comment that I am "Libertarian" at heart. The least amount of government interference/regulation is better for me. That is, unless it involves national security. Shoot, I don't even care if it's 1984 in that regard. Nothing to hide here.
     
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  8. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Cute dog. :)
     
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    When it comes to women's bodies, the greatest possible amount of regulation. Libertarian means to you that you get to do whatever you want, and force others to do what you want.
     
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    So if it involves a woman's body you're good with it. If it involves clean water your not.

    Cool!
     
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    I don't want our government funding, nor advocating for, anything to do with abortion.
     
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    I kind of consider myself a Libertarian. Which means for me personally in many ways my 'votes' are more about how I feel the government should interact with people and businesses rather than my personal morals.
    Abortion is something that especially mid-late terms I don't really like on 'moral' grounds. That said I think it's an individual's choice, not the government's choice, or my choice.
    I feel like what I personally, or heck what you or someone else here thinks is morally right or wrong shouldn't be forced on to people.
    The issue comes with, where is that, "line", where the government can or should intercede. For most libertarians, it's when, "harm is coming to someone else", when your freedom is impending upon someone else' freedom's. I think in that regard someone could (I am not saying I am making that case), but could say if they believed the fetus has it's own, "personal" rights that aborting it is taking away it's 'freedom'...
    Again that is not my personal stance, my personal stance is that the government shouldn't have the right to dictate that decision, it should a.) Do everything in its power to keep rape's, violent pregnancies, and such to a minimum, b.) have proper education on the matters, c.) support contraception (I don't know if the government needs to make that free, but it needs to make it available, this is a different discussion).
     
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    Here are a few off the top of my head that have nothing to do with Biden:

    Effectively eliminated ISIS, while also eliminating their top leader

    Helped free and brought more than 50 overseas hostages home

    Brokered an historic deal between Israel and United Arab Emirates
     
  15. Lanny

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    But this has got nothing to do with your objection to Planned Parenthood and abortion. This is a side issue as far as you're concerned. Now, if Margaret had opposed abortion you'd most likely be singing her praise.
     
  16. ABM

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    From what I understand, one of the the main reasons she started those clinics was to help eliminate Blacks through the elimination of procreation.

    https://time.com/5869743/planned-parenthood-margaret-sanger/
     
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    The deal with the United Arab Emirates is most decidedly unpopular with the rest of the Arab world and virtually spit on by the Palestinians. I could hardly call a deal as one sided as that as historic since it's already DOA. The only reason the UAE went for it is for the F35s.
    Little known fact - Homosexuality is illegal and is a capital offence in the UAE. (from wikipedia)
     
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    This again, although despicable, is a side issue for you. Like I say, none of this would be a deciding factor for you if she had opposed abortion for Whites.
     
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    There's good and bad in everything. I was simply stating it was an accomplishment.

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/08/22/the-israel-uae-deal-is-good-news-for-a-troubled-region
     
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    You seem confused. What I was asking about was whether it bothered you that Trump is trying to disclaim responsibility for the past three and a half years and saying everything that's happened is a Joe Biden mess that he needs to be elected to clean up. In other words, Trump is trying to create the impression Biden has been President, Trump is the challenger and people should elect Trump to fix all the shitty Presidenting that's been happening over the past three and a half years.

    That should bother you. It means Trump is deeply embarrassed about what's happened while he's been President and he doesn't want to run on his record, he wants to be treated the way he was in 2016 when he was just a rabble-rousing challenger.
     
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