Politics Let's say Biden is president...

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  1. Orion Bailey

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    how long have you been here?


    Biden is a puppet. Doesnt think for himself snd well merely be led by his coorporate sponsors.
    Pelosi will control him and she is borderline socialist.

    and im not a 90’s republican. Im an 1850’s republican.
     
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    Unfortunately, I do not think that anything else is reasonable. The world as we know it can not turn on a dime, it is just not going to happen. We have seen with Covid-19 what happens when the world needs to turn on a dime - it is economic collapse and strife for many. A 30 years goal to reach 100% clean energy economy is bold - it really is, there is no way to turn a cruise ship as if it was a white-water raft. It just does not work like that.
     
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    baby steps.
    Infrastructure will fail if we try to rebuild it al at once.
    Patience and persistence is what will work best.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    So you think draining the swamp is the one that is real and tangible? What is the evidence for that?

    That isn't what I said, and I'm pretty sure you know it.

    And I didn't 'lump differing opinions into one category', either. Seems like you want to fight strawmen.

    barfo
     
  5. TradeNurkicNow

    TradeNurkicNow Resident OT Section Crank

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    I've been with this community for a long, long time. I guarantee none of the regulars were advocating for socialism. And considering you think Nancy Pelosi of all people is a "borderline socialist," that kinda proves my point. I think you have no idea what socialism is.

    Well if you're a pre-civil war Republican then you must be against the wage slavery exploitation of the working class and advocate for small-scale production of goods over federal systems of industrial mechanization and capital hoarding. Wait, maybe you do know what socialism is...
     
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    Yes. Draining the swamp has specifics to it.

    oh? That isn't what you said? Not liking a bit of your own medicine are we? Because you constantly twist words around.
    And lastly. I didn't say You lumped. I said thats the problem with lumping.

    you seem to have a knack at twisting words and then calling them straw man.
    Thats fine. I call what you are doing trolling....

    Funny how in this very post you did what you accuse me of....


    lol!.
     
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    okay... then you dont read all the posts because it has been advocated. To the point ive been asked why im against socialism. Ill chalk it up to you not seeing it all.
    The 1850’s republican was not a out the politics of then currently but the limited fed government of the time.
    Dont overreach that comment as there are many details i hadnt mentioned.
     
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    I kinda think Covid showed us that rapid change is in fact possible. As international industrial economies ground to a halt, we saw pollution recede. The internet allows us to live and work locally. Yes, many people will lose work and livelihood -- if only there were some vast source of untapped wealth being hoarded that could be used to mitigate that... oh well.

    30 years is 20 years too slow. So, if we're not talking about preventing a catastrophe, then what are we talking about? Living with it? What's your plan? I was going to buy some cheap property in Southern Oregon... until... uh yeah,
     
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    who the hell has been advocating for socialism while I was gone? let's hang out
     
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    okay well your the first today.
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Give me a well run Democratic Socialist society all day.
     
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    so what will the plan be to maintain all the social programs when the money taken from the rich runs out in 50-100 years?

    Its been tried before and failed.
    But thats only half my issue.
    I think handouts enable laziness for some. yes some tKe it Nd make something of it, but many just take it and then ask for more.


    One need look no further than the pandemic to realize people don't want to work hard. They want it given to them. And I'm not for enabling that.
    I think that philosophy is the derailment of aNy society.
    Instead of going back to work people stayed home and collected fed money because staying on unemployment paid them more.
    So when you pay everyone to sit at home, how does the economy grow? How does it even maintain?
     
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    With so many losing healthcare and homes as a result of layoffs, the middle class being wiped out, and serious dents to the future of the nation's economy, you'd think people would stop vilifying socialism.
     
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    socialism isnt the answer to the effects of a pandemic. Short term bailouts maybe....
     
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    I think when you currently have a system where health care is often tied to employment, and you have a pandemic that has 30 million people lose their jobs, i think the pandemic shows there are many aspects of socialism that should be in place.
     
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    Yes, let's make Jeff Bezos the world's first trillionaire.
     
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    see thats where i disagree. 30 million lost jobs but how many lost homes because of losing jobs? Did the bail outs work to provide subsidies for the moment? Cause 30 million homeless would be absolutely tragic.
     
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    Socialism in and of itself doesn't work. Capitalism unbridled or crony capitalism also does not work. There needs to be a balance of the two for things to actually work. Even in the 'best' ran democratic socialist countries, they have quite a few failures and have gone towards capitalism as recognition of necessary commerce, and capitalistic opportunity is needed for a thriving economy that can also allow the government systems to continue to run well. People complain about capitalism, in the US but the complaint is really misguided, what we have in the US is crony capitalism. Which is kind of the worst of both worlds when it comes to big government vs big businesses.
     
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  19. Orion Bailey

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    okay...?

    you didnt come up with the idea he dis and business savt so you are jealous and think he should give his money back to you?

    lol

    really though. I see faults in capitalism too but it maintains a freedom socialism doesn't.
    All systems will be abused by those in control and socialism would be no less.
     
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