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  1. Orion Bailey

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    ohh come on. You Re saying that antifa is mocking fascism?


    Your not able to distinguish two very different topics, of convos in here vs antifa actions on the streets?

    Is this just Another inaccurate attempt at “ i got you”?


    sigh.....
     
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    You're saying if you're wronged, you'll respond in kind, while also stating two wrongs don't make a right.
    I'm not saying they're mocking fascism. Like you stated about yourself, there's only so much you can take, before your held belief that two wrongs don't make a right goes out the window. So surely you'd respect when others get to that same level, no?
     
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    sure. Show me proof that fascism is taking over the country.
     
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    The definition of fascism:

    a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual

    Now, I don't see how antifa is becoming fascist, like some claim. Violence/= fascism. But, I can see elements of fascist behavior in the cult of trump.
     
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    also. Im not here mocking innocent people. Only those who are rude.

    antifa is invading innocent people. When you block traffic of innocent people instead of go against legislature, its no longer a positive thing.

    not sure how the two can be compared when im going directly back at those i feel are rude and antifa is randomly goin against innocent people.
     
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    But still, two wrongs make it right for you, is what I see? Because you were wronged? And just going after the rude people.
     
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    hmm ive understood it to be that, but pushing their values via violence and force and not via legislature and voting in reps that support thier agenda?

    Also is putting the masses above the individual a bad thing? Meaning we should let all Americans die if we cant save one? Sometimes the singular must be sacrificed for The masses to continue?

    not saying i agree. Im asking. Whats more important. The needs of the few or the needs of the many?

    also the needs of the few shouldn't be dismissed but sometimes are denied because it doesn't fit for the masses.

    However the masses could learn better how to coexist.
     
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    yep. But see im admitting it and giving full disclosure and have stated why.

    now i was in full on mockery mode. Ive switch up a bit as this morning convos have gone on.
    Why? Because i actually feel constructive engagement doesnt deserve that type of response and for the most part i feel your engagement has been an attempt at being constructive. Not destructive.
    I will say this though. I get your point.
    Lead by example...
     
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    Fascism is sort of hard to define as it's taken different masks throughout the 20th century.
    Paxton, author of several books, including "The Anatomy of Fascism" (Vintage, 2005), said fascism is based more on feelings than philosophical ideas. In his 1988 essay "The Five Stages of Fascism," published in 1998 in the Journal of Modern History, he defined seven feelings that act as "mobilizing passions" for fascist regimes. They are:

    1. The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining either individual or universal rights.
    2. Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
    3. The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
    4. A strong sense of community or brotherhood. This brotherhood's "unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary."
    5. Individual self-esteem is tied up in the grandeur of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
    6. Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is always male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
    7. "The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.

    I think it's safe to say that there are elements of antifa that look fairly fascist. We've reached a state of polarization in the US that the vocal extremes seem to define even the moderates who are further right or left of those they may be closer to on the Overton window. The problem really comes in that the extreme's are extreme's for a reason, violence is just a means to an end for them. Their cause is more important than the lives of people. Anyone who doesn't identify as part of their group is considered the enemy, and any enemy is a threat. antifa, might be anti-facism but often times people turn into what they hate the most. I'd say Trump wouldn't mind being a fascist authoritative figure, but when antifa is demanding politicians step down so they can replace them with their own people, it sounds like they don't mind the idea of governmental authority, they just want to be the ones to wield it.
     
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    Count me in. I'd love to protest if I physically could but I will never riot.
    By the way, I'd place a Black Lives Matter lawn sign in my front yard right across the street from a large high school if I could find one.
     
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    I haven't ever heard of anyone in antifa wanting to have governmental authority. And if a politician did step down due to antifa's demand, which is itself highly improbable, there is no mechanism whatsoever to replace that politician with a member of antifa. Or am I missing something?

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    Antifa is literally running the biggest competitor to Wheeler in Portland.
    Sarah Iannarone
     
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    Yes, she said she was antifa, but that's a bit like me saying I'm a commie pinko. Real commie pinkos would find me disgustingly bourgeois.

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    In fact, you're only half that since I don't find you bourgeois at all. As for the other half, welcome to my world.
     
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    I was not even completely referring to her saying she is 'antifa' comment. Just answering your question about replacing the authority with their own. That is in fact what they want to do.
     
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    You can't say that.
    There's no such thing as an ANTIFA. It's just a loose affiliation. It has no formal structure.
     
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    https://rosecityantifa.org/

    If you think they're just randomly showing up with no leadership, or organizational structure every night to protest I guess you're free to think that but they seem really freaking good at managing to all show up at certain places, at certain times, with supplies every night...
     
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    Who is their President?
    Show me their platform or charter.
    Who are their officers?
    Who recognizes them?
    Give me some evidence that they are structured.
     
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    They probably don't even vote, most of them.

    barfo
     
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    I just did.
    Whether you want to acknowledge it or not is up to you. ANTIFA does exist, it's not a myth. They may skirt some of the traditional political organizational structures, but they are organized.
    Structure, is not dependent on any of the things you mentioned.
    Various journalists have called out in advance where antifa plans to meet on nights, and what buildings they plan to attack, and they have been right.
    That would lead most people to believe that they're communicating and organizing with each other and it's not just like 10 people... It's sometimes several hundred so call it whatever you want, they exist though and in my opinion it's more than just random buddies showing up to pioneer square on a Thursday...
     

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