That's just a web page. Means nothing. I can create a web page if I want to shell out a few bucks. Of course, mine would only be good while my computer was not shut down for the night. You've shown nothing that I asked for.
but Lanny. Creating a webpage and outlining agendas is organizing. Just because there arent elected officials i na group or party doesn't mean they dont have leadership. Chaz had a clear leader and he wasnt elected.
There have been tents and garbage EVERYWHERE for the last 5 years. Zero has changed from the protests, except for sure there is more graffitti.
But. A year ago, I was told the city is clean and people tried ot make a fool of me for saying what you just did. So if it was clean then but dirty now..... I mean I was called names here for claiming the city had a homeless issue all over town. You may have missed it.
Okay, let me say it different. ANTIFA has no official structure or leadership. The new keyword is 'OFFICIAL'. Therefor, as I've said numerous times, it is an unofficial loose affiliation of individuals. with no official structure.
Not to do the in-my-day thing, but I remember when out-of-towners once remarked on the cleanliness of the city... Now, this place is fucked. Hands down my least favorite part of this city, and this country for that matter (Christian as it is), is the collective shrug in the face of the homeless crisis.
what would constitute official? most parties don't start out instantly organized and official. Antifa is a political movement and can toss their support to any candidate regardless of being official or having an official spokesperson. Im not sure why they need to have to be official in order to change votes?
This raises an interesting question. When you lose your job, health insurance and are homeless, are the effects of coronavirus likely to be better or worse? That’s a question for the ‘shut shit down’ posse.
Official is something recognized by the government or a court of law. Try suing ANTIFA. ANTiFA cannot support one candidate or another because someone else in the loose affiliation could support someone else just as easily. Then, who would ANTIFA officially support? No, a group of people who call themselves ANTIFA, with no official membership could support this person or that and there would not be any kind of official support other than a group of people who happen to like Joe Blow.
I'm with @Lanny. This equating antifa with a political party or some sort of organized group is super misleading. It's a Trumpism. Antifa proper is primarily a small group of people that spend most of their time and money doxing, ie exposing, nazis to their employers and the public. I'd wager, literally, 99% of the people breaking shit and wreaking havoc are just people wearing black. If I headed down tonight and tossed a tomato at the police, would I be antifa? Are my daughter and her friends antifa? It's just silly talk. It's PEOPLE. People are angry, and they are caught up in the movement. Just like everything in life, moderation is probably best, but not everyone can dial it down, and those are the people we see, the people blinded by their passion. Now, do they serve antifa's purpose? That's a different question. Maybe. For me, it's always the spirit of the thing that matters--the intent. The intent is to make things better.
Ok... Sorry but if ANTIFA is just some ambiguous group, of loosely affiliated carbon bodies then how would you know what, Antifa proper does? You’re on one hand saying we cant define it by a structure then trying to define it by that groups intent and what they do... Whether those claiming ‘antifa’ as their own are in a structured organized group, or politically affiliated isnt really the point. The point is that 150-200 on most evenings who claim to be ANTIFA are organized enough to pick locations, targets, have supplies ready, which means that their either self-funded or have some help btw. Its not a matter of trumpism, its a matter of calling it what it is. They are a group of largely the same people who get together on a mostly nightly basis to go protest politics. Thats all fine and good and they can do what they want, but that group exists, and they do in fact have political things they are protesting.
I just think this is a watching from distance thing. People in my life are deep in this stuff. All there is is social media, IG, telling people what's up; I could look at my feed right now and know where people want to meet and who is bringing what. They are college kids and baristas and tattoo artists...just people. Passionate people looking out for one another. I mean, I'm always hearing grassroots this and grassroots that; this is actual grassroots. The notion that there are roaming antifa militias or whatever is just fear (and fear mongering) talking... Folks might be adopting the name antifa, but they ain't Rose City Antifa. It just isn't like that. And if it isn't a Trumpism, it is only because he willed them into existence. Haha. Clearly it is hard for people to accept, and I'm kind of confused what the obsession is even about--this need to categorize or whatever it is. Do yourself a favor and start a correspondence with RCA and ask them all your questions. I'm positive they'll make more sense than me...
Every group always consists of 'people', normal people who do normal things most of the time and then get together for a certain cause. What you're describing isn't really any different than anything else though... Blazer fans are all just normal people, who decide to get together to scream for a while at how badly managed the team is. Does it mean Blazer fans don't exist because there's not a place you could sue them, or that they don't have a structured who's the official Blazer fan president? Does it mean that if two Blazer fans go burn down a building that all blazer fans are arsonists? No of course it doesn't mean that. The thing is and I'm speaking exclusively about the people out protesting every night. I see it, I have seen it. They call themselves antifa, and they are organized to at least some extent, and from arrest records and all that it's typically the same groups of people out there most nights. Now, are they affiliated with 'rose city antifa? I doubt it, but I'm sure there are some members of rose-city-antifa who are involved but it's just conjecture.
Okay, but there are republicans who don't support Trump. That doesn't make sense. Just because they don't all politically align on all things doesn't mean they don't have a unified political agenda and can use that to influence voting, etc. The only thing that matters is they are aiding to push people away from a just movement with the tactics they use, so in reality they have already started influencing voters. just the opposite of what they strive for. There is no sweeping movement of support for Antifa like there is BLM. BLM's tactics have been much more peaceful overall, though they also have their extremists. At any rate Antifa is absolutely a political entity with influence. Then why are they trying to set federal buildings on fire on a regular basis? You are saying those are just anarchist standing along side Antifa? dress the same as antifa? I get what you are saying about the spirit of things, but hasn't history proven you cant begat violence with violence? Doesn't violence always leave one side feeling...abused... wronged... etc? Doesn't that almost always lead to a want of revenge? What happened to Black people in this country is absolutely tragic and one of man's historical atrocities. He have slowly been trying to fix it and now have become glaringly aware of how the institution also needs to change. But it cant all happen at once or it all collapses. And this demand for instant change all of a sudden, to me, is going to undermine all that has improved. More and more people who were in support or on the fence are stepping up and saying this is enough. You lose me if it continues. And I don't speak of peaceful protests. I speak of the ones lighting things on fires. So two things come to mind. Antifa, needs to call these people out and separate themselves from them, if they truly aren't Antifa. Second, intent is great and all, but if it doesn't make things better, then its just misdirected and wasted energy.
When people go into a restaurant and harass others and even intimidate fro politcel reasons Prison time!
