Politics Trump pulling 2,000 US troops from Afghanistan and more soldiers from Iraq by the end of his term

LOL, you've been taking to many acid hits.

 

SMH

 

lol...OK...how many do you think he IS responsible for?

This ought to be good.

 

I don't know. I know it ain't all 240K though.

 

Atta boy...way to straddle the fence and avoid answering the question.

 

Unless Canada was the same size as the US both geographically and population size, density and ethnic diversity, and was located in the same temperate zone, and had the same number of airports and the same level of international and domestic travel... and was a Free country with a Constitution that forbids government from interference of a number of individual, inalienable rights.
For a comparison of Canada's response, Russia is a far more accurate and scientific candidate.
For a comparison of the US response, which by law is controlled by each of the 50 states, and not by the President, Europe is a reasonable candidate.

 

Certainly most of them. Many countries have far lower death counts just by following the advice of epidemiologist... He was ill prepared before it hit, and fought epidemiologists from the start, while actively undermining states who tried to heed said advice.

Yes. I'm perfectly comfortable with blaming at least 250k of deaths to date on Trump.

 

Sorry, but the federal government has the power to enforce a quarantine during a pandemic.

The same way they have the power to punish you for threatening the president even though you have freedom of speech.

Sometimes the greater good is more important than your individual rights.

 

So if anyone other than Trump had been president there would have been zero deaths in the U.S. from covid-19? Really?

 

The US is at 260k+ deaths. Actual excess mortality is over 350k.

If anyone other than Trump were president and had taken the same actions Trump has taken the deaths would be that person's fault too.

Just like every other leader who has had a high covid-19 death rate without expansive testing and tracing or listening to epidemiologists is at fault for their deaths.

The US is literally in the top 10 for worse covid-19 death rates in the world. With the largest budget and best technology the world has ever seen.

Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand, Norway, Finland, Australia, Japan, Singapore, Thailand, Laos.

Many have had open travel with China throughout the pandemic and had cases a month earlier than we did.

All have less than 70 deaths per million population. Many of them have fewer than 20 deaths per million.

The US has 789 deaths per million population.

 

Now you're relegated to putting words into people's mouths?...who in the hell said or implied that there would have been "ZERO" death if anyone else was POTUS instead of Trump?...the answer is NO ONE.
...This is TWICE now that you've wrongly twisted other people's words and claimed that they said something that they clearly did not.

I asked you a simple question earlier in this thread which gave you the opportunity to share your opinion as to how many covid deaths Trump could have saved? But instead of giving an answer you sidestepped the question and continued to incorrectly infer what others have said.


...not exactly a convincing argument.

 

You couldn’t be more wrong. I was responding to the statement that Trump is responsible for 250K+ covid deaths.

 

I know exactly what you're responding to....but I'll ask the simple question for the second time; "How many deaths do you think he IS responsible for"?

 

Using a comparable country like Canada and their death-rate, his administration's botched response is currently responsible for over 160,000 deaths. Given the estimates for the number of infections and deaths caused to people infected by the end of his administration - 250,000 is more or the less the ball-park.

 

Moscow Mitch and the rest of your Republican buddies are PISSED.

 

If you are in this thread defending Donald Trump's Covid-19 response, you should not be reasoned with because you are too far gone. He put a man responsible for an AIDS epidemic in charge of the Covid response team... He is responsible for every single person who has contracted and died from Covid to the tune of almost 250,000 Americans souls.



"I wanted to always play it down." - Donald Trump

 

You’re right. I can’t reason with you if you just make shit up.

 

C'mon man, pick a number...c'mon, you can do it.

 

here is a list of the highest death rate nations sorted by deaths/million:



Andorra and San Marino you can toss out because of tiny populations. Maybe Belgium as well

Spain and Italy got swept over by a tsunami of infection before they had much of a chance to formulate a response

for the rest, Peru, Argentina, Chile, UK, Brazil, and USA have right wing central governments that initially resisted implementing policies that mitigate the pandemic. It's no coincidence those nations have the highest death rate

a model of the impact of scientific policies is Germany. It is a populous nation with much higher population density than the US. Their death rate of 172 deaths/million is 4.6 times smaller that the US. If the US had the same death rate, we'd have 57,000 deaths. Using that gauge then, you could say that trump is responsible for 205,000 deaths so far

of course, that number is less than it could be because there are blue states that are actually trying to mitigate the damage. And more and more red states are breaking away from trump and mandating mask-wearing.

the problem with a comparison to a nation like Germany is that they don't have a large percentage of the population aggressively ignorant of science and facts resisting common sense policies because of stupid fucking non-reasons

 

Hack, Forget the rest of the world, California's death rate per capita is 60% of the US at large. If the US adopted the same policies that CA adopted from the start - we would have saved 100,000 Americans. If you combine this with actual federal level coordination of mitigation and supplies and support protocols - the amount would have been much larger. Anyway you look at it - this administration is responsible for tens to hundreds of thousands of lives and should, like Nazism be remembered as an example of what happens with evil and incompetent people get into power.