OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. BigGameDamian

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    How's that blaming Trump working out?
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Who is in charge of the United States pandemic response?

    China?

    The President?
     
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  5. BigGameDamian

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    So, you seem to be confused. No one's blaming Trump for the pandemic. Everyone is blaming Trump for bungling the handling of it once it was apparent that it existed.

    Should we blame China for Trump's response? If so, are you saying China is Trump's secret master?
     
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    what "fear mongering" are you seeing? Is insisting on mask-wearing in public fear mongering? is calling for social distancing fear mongering? is reporting that 280,000 people have died fear mongering?

    and exactly what level of reporting about deaths in nursing home would you consider the right level instead of an "underreported" level? I don't think that make any sense at all

    there are reports every day about deaths in care facilities. Every damn day. Since the crisis began there have been constant reports and printed data about older people being vulnerable and having higher mortality rate. For chrissakes, I just googled "older people more vulnerable to covid" and got 315 million results. After that, searching "covid deaths in care facilities" returned 104 million results.
    the NY Times has an article on this:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-nursing-homes.html

    and the estimate is about 40% of deaths are linked to care facilities. Now, some of those deaths are not residents but rather workers; but that probably doesn't impact the numbers much. That still leaves 170,000 deaths out there among people NOT in nursing homes. Would reporting that 170,000 number in a non-nursing-home context be less fear-mongering?

    and we don't know if that 40% ratio will remain constant. In many states, like Washington and Oregon, the initial surges of deaths came in care facilities. That's likely common across the nation. When we were at 50,000 deaths, were 60% of the deaths in care facilities? That seems like meaningful context to know, at least it does to me in order to place the 40% estimate in the proper context

    and now, the estimates are that by February, we may very well have 400,000 deaths. And by then, a quarter million of those deaths will likely be among people not in nursing homes. I'm having a hard time seeing how these numbers, and reporting them, can be twisted into fear mongering
     
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    Who's responsible for the pandemic?

    China?

    The President?
     
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    Biology.

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    The Virus is responsible for the pandemic (of god, if you are a religious individual).

    Who is response for the US response?
     
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    The virus originated in China.

    Trumps words and actions have directly resulted in the pandemic being far worse in the U.S. than it should have been. Over a month ago the estimate in unnecessary deaths was over 100k.

    Let me know if you have any other questions about things that have been widely reported and already answered.

    Water is still wet in case you weren't sure.
     
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    Who said we rounded the curve?
     
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    the ex president whom you seem to cherish.

     
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    Can you tell me how Trump's words impacted the severity of the pandemic?

    Also, can you site any conclusive evidence that Hillary Clinton would have been more successful at fighting the pandemic?
     
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