Notice This is the worst Blazer team I have seen in my lifetime.

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  1. Hoopguru

    Hoopguru Well-Known Member

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    Nice take...
     
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    I'm convinced. Let's keep the same coach, keep doing the same things, be terrible at defense way more than we should be, last or next to last in assists, passing, forced turnovers, fast break points, all while enabling some of the most selfish play in the league.

    How did I not realize this before?
     
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    How are we all those things, with 1 all-star, and magically win more playoff series in the last 7 years than we did in the previous 13 under three different coaches. That doesn't add up at all, does it?

    The roster is not elite, Stotts is not elite, but the narrative makes it sound like you've been watching the Knicks for the last decade.
     
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  4. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    If you say so :emotions:
     
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    I'm surprised this isn't being mentioned more. If Dame or CJ go nuts, which they're both capable of doing at times, we can beat a lot of teams. See Dame in the bubble, against OKC, CJ against Denver. When they score closer or underneath their averages, we're summarily dealt with. It's basically been the annual strategy since Aldridge left. We've needed something additional to count on that doesn't require superstars- like being among the best defensive teams, or rebounding teams, or 3 point shooting teams - and Olshey hasn't made it happen. I think this is probably why CJ said it all comes down to Nurkic. He understands we're basically the same flawed team we've been, and Nurk could be the difference making wrinkle. Hate to discount it, but to me it appears as flimsy a strategy as relying on Dame or CJ scoring 40+. Yeah, if Dame's only scoring 9 points in a game, we'll have a tough time beating anyone, let alone a playoff caliber team like Utah. I still have some hope we'll be better defensively, but not expecting anything noticeable until March or so.
     
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    Orion Bailey Forum Troll

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    but you tube ads can add up to alot more than a salary for a reporting agency.
    Whens the last time a hired news reporter went viral and made millions from it?

    but you can find you tube video makers who aRe now multi millionaires.


    Now im not saying they all got there because of their content, but to try to diminish someone because they have a youtube channel vs a salary from a news agency is pretty laughable in todays day and age...
    People will go to where the money is. Whether talented or not.

    Sounds like you are stuck in yesterdays format and not realizing that the internet is the way of news now. Including sports.

    I haven't watched espn in years....
     
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    No it doesn't, but nice try. More legitimately though, where is the growth? Where is the taking advantage of players strengths to actually better the team? There are numerous examples which have been identified over and over. What is distressing is that we HAVE had one of the best PGs/players/leaders in the league....and yet have very little to show for it. It is certainly not the hyperbole of 'watching the Knicks', but it seems fair to expect some signs of growth instead of routine, stagnation of being swept out of the Playoffs year after year. Fair?
     
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    Ooops. He's been around a long time Bones.
     
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    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    And there it is. I knew that was coming.
     
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    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but trying to say the local media sucks (Which i can agree with in part) is the flip side to that coin. Chad has worked hard for what he has. Danny has worked hard. Heck even Jason Quick and John Canzano have worked hard to get theirs.
    You Tube has it's value for sure. But lets not take away from those who are working at another level because they are not you tube either.
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    And what? I answered his random question truthfully.
     
  12. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    They worked hard for their jobs. Nobody is saying they haven't. Doesnt mean their basketball takes are or aren't shit.
     
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    yeah but someone can work hard and still suck.

    I dont think Bones was saying they haven't paid their dues or anything. Just saying their takes and analysis sucks. I don't think Bones was taking Anything away from them more so just affirming his own professional outlet that was being somewhat mocked for being “just” a youtube channel.

    in part i agree. I watched some of the post game shows last year. Nothing innovative. No hot takes or outside the box thoughts/ comments.
    Mostly just opinions like the rest of us.
    Bones and hoopshock bring alot more of the x’s and o’s factors, that i just Dont see much of in the others.

    if im going to listen to commentary, post gMe analysis, team assessment, etc i want it to be more factually based vs opinion.
    Meaning, support the opinion with facts based on play vs just a colorful opinion without references as to why it was formed.

    I love reading Bones’ posts Bout the team. I might not agree with it all but i sure as hell learn alot about the little things.
    (Dont tell him though!)
     
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  14. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    The idea that people who are "paid for their takes" are paid because those takes are good is laughable. Media is paid to be readable/listenable/watchable--nothing more. Many paid media put terrible opinions out in well-constructed packages and are paid handsomely for it.

    The fact that someone is paid to comment on sports is no argument against the opinion that their takes are garbage. The two are completely independent.
     
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    Last year with that crappy roster we were
    #3 in 3-point shooting
    #2 in lowest turn-over rate
    #3 in offense (points per possession)

    Our defense was awful negating all that, but it’s not like we don’t have some positives to hang our hats on. This year we have 6 good defenders: Nurk, RoCo, DJJ, Trent, Giles, Collins. We didn’t have that last year. I expect this team to be good, something approaching two years ago. Good but not contending.
     
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    We had growth up to two years ago. We had the #3 offense and an average defense. We grew from 41 wins up to 53 wins. Then injuries + terrible moves trashed what we had leaving us with hot garbage for depth and putting us back at square #1. Now we have our depth back plus some better defenders we should be back on course. But we still don't have the talent around Dame to be legitimate contenders.

    You said in a prior post we have the lowest assists, lowest passing, and terrible defense. I agree with you about the defense. But our low passing/assists resulted in the #3 offense in the NBA. You pass to get better shots, yet every pass adds risk so it's a trade-off. Along with our lowest assists we had the 2nd lowest turnover rate. So maybe from an offensive efficiency POV Stott's boring offense is actually right.
     
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    Fair enough. Just understand They might not agree with you either. The point is they are in a business of giving an opinion. Respect has been earned. That's all i'm saying Bones. You have earned your respect and so have they.
     
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    A little more about respect is what I'm saying. They don't (At least that i have heard) go on their site or show and say another person working in the field "Sucks". I like X's and O's as much as the next guy. It can be fun to see what happens. I personally find Dwight Jaynes nauseating at best to listen to. There is a point i can't even watch the guy. However there are other things involved in and with an NBA team than simply "Drop Schemes" and "Cutting to the basket" "Lob passes" "Fronting" " Flow Offenses" "Corner threes". Those things are High School/College level learning curve issues. Way more to dealing with NBA players and the overall business product. It's why we are fans and we get it sold to us.
    Even Bones has learned this. Look at the difference between what he posts now and what he was doing just a year ago. He has to understand everything he posts and says can get thrown in his face. He also has learned that a "Toxic" environment will eventually bring him down. Look for HoopsJock? He isn't even around anymore unless he is lurking?
    Respect in the business goes a long ways. Bones and Hoops are earning it and they are working daily to create a product. The NBA is a Business. This is all for Entertainment. It's literally my signature on my comments.
     
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    To be fair the last sweep was in the conference finals. I realize we supposedly got lucky with other teams' injuries but we didn't have Nurk which was a huge blow. So that does show some growth. That being said I'm with you most of the way. I need to see more improvement/adapting from the coaching staff but they have said they will do that with the new blood that Olshey has brought in which is my other problem. Olshey hasn't been aggressive enough in getting players that complement Dame's strengths and cover for his weaknesses.
     
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    When you assume...

    Frankly, you have no idea what you are talking about.
     

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