Game Thread GAME# 26: BLAZERS @ MAVERICKS - FEBRUARY 14, 2021 - SUNDAY, 4:30, ESPN & NBCSNW

Olshey didn’t sign Whiteside. It was a trade. That he wouldn’t have made if Kanter signed.

 

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Hood was not Olshey’s first priority. That is why he traded for Bazemore. To replace Hood. Kanter was Olshey’s first priority but Kanter had to make his decision because if he says no and Whiteside is traded elsewhere, we’re stuck with Meyers til Nurk comes back.

 

You're saying that only after Kanter left, Olshey commenced negotiations for Whiteside. No, he had arranged it previously, it was in the bag, Kanter found out, and split when Olshey wouldn't talk to him.

No, Hood was his top priority, and Bazemore was in case Hood didn't return. Olshey lost Kanter a week after getting Bazemore, and 5 nervous days before resigning Hood.

 

What a weird ass comment.

 

The Whiteside trade was lined up for if Kanter didn’t sign.

 

We all read the previous day that Olshey was getting Whiteside. Kanter sure read it. The next morning, Kanter left, saying Olshey had given him too few minutes that morning to decide/discuss with Olshey.

By short-shrifting him with the bum's rush, Olshey thus manipulated Kanter out, so that he could sign Whiteside. Olshey obeyed the stats/reputation of starter Whiteside vs. substitute Kanter, instead of having the GM talent to evaluate them independently of others' opinions. Kanter was much better and cheaper than Whiteside. We need a better GM.

 

bullshit. Kanter had YEARS to figure it out.

 

You say that Kanter knew years in advance that Whiteside was replacing him, and he wasn't surprised. Therefore, you think that KingSpeed is wrong, when he says that Olshey went for Whiteside only after Kanter split, not before. Olshey decided this years in advance, according to you. Glad to have you on my side against King.

There's a lack of common sense on this board.

 

Sorry - You are wrong here....

Woj reported that Hood was coming back to Portland. The timestamp on that tweet says 6/30/19 @ 3:40pm


There wasn't any information about Whiteside being traded to Portland until Woj tweeted it on 7/1/19 @ 9:30am


The Whiteside trade came as a surprise to almost everyone.
There was one thread who suggested Whiteside as a trade target in 2018.
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/ha...be-trail-blazers-hail-mary-move.330306/page-3

The next mention of Whiteside even being a possibility was a result of Woj's tweet on 7/1/19.... Which was AFTER Hood already agreed to re-sign (which meant Kanter was gone).
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/whiteside-to-portland.346236/


You can check for your self here: http://www.sportstwo.com/search/73231444/?page=2&q=Whiteside&o=date&c[title_only]=1&c[node]=123
Doing some fact checking before spouting off incorrect things from memory is a good habit to get into....

 

What you quoted from me doesn't mention Hood. Maybe you're referring to earlier, when after I said that Hood was Olshey's top target for the off-season, KingSpeed said that Bazemore, not Hood, was the top priority. I then said that Bazemore was just insurance against Hood not re-signing.

Anyway, the issue being discussed is how Olshey lost Kanter. As Woj said, Olshey re-signed Hood June 30 afternoon. The next morning, Olshey's eyes were on Whiteside, who he thought was better than Kanter, had no time to soft-pedal it to Kanter, so Kanter split. Olshey misevaluated the talent of Whiteside vs. Kanter.

(If you look up the transactions, the official dates are July 6, which tells you nothing.)

Whatever dates we come up with, doesn't change the boldfaced sentence.

 

that's a contradiction because he reached out to Kanter first....Whiteside was plan B.....just bringing some common sense to the thread

 

Hood is immaterial to my point.

Portland could only sign 1 of the two FA. It was either Hood OR Kanter.
Olshey offered the contract to Kanter on 6/30/19. Only after he capitulated, did Olshey offer the contract to Hood. ALL of this happened BEFORE there was any public rumor of a Whiteside trade.

I have plenty of issues with Olshey's talent evaluation skills. But he did not make the judgement between Whiteside and Kanter.

Kanter did not commit, so Olshey moved onto what he deemed as his next best alternative. This is exactly what Olshey should have done in the situation.

 

Oh boy, now we can spend a page arguing over what "reach out" means. Since Kanter was already a Blazer, obviously Olshey was "communicating" to Kanter for awhile, if that's what you mean.

But in the 45 or 6 minutes that mattered, there was no reaching out. So Kanter took another offer, saying that Olshey's inattentive rush made him feel "uncomfortable."

 

You're saying that the 45 or 6 minutes happened June 30, not July 1. I've never read that before. The stories from Lillard (45 minutes) and Kanter (6 minutes) were treated as happening the morning of July 1, but you have a new hypothesis, that the story occurred before that. Can you find such an account dating it June 30? Did Kanter, Lillard, or anyone else give a date?

If you can find one, it might change the timing about Olshey underrating Kanter. But not my opinion that Olshey is bad at evaluating frontline talent, and didn't try hard on Kanter.

Also, if you find such a source, you will need to reconcile this new timing with Kanter's quote about feeling rushed.

 

Kanter told Neil he wanted to talk to his brother first....Neil pressured him that he was on the clock....Enes didn't want to decide that quick...Enes made his choice...nothin' to do with Neil not giving him a call and first dibs...Enes said 6 minutes...Dame said it was about 45 minutes....whatever...he's back and playing better than he did in Boston...just a hiccup! Enes looks pretty damned happy here....that's enough...Dame seems happy..that's even better...

 

Source? (I looked it up and yes, he has a 6-9 brother who played in college.) Need a source before I believe it. It won't change either side of the argument.

 

I remember it from an interview he did after the fact...I'm your source dude!

 

No, we traded for Bazemore in case we signed Kanter instead of Hood. We couldn’t get Kanter so we signed Hood and traded for Whiteside. The 45 minute deadline was in place because Miami said now or never. Kanter was 1st choice but he said no.

 

Source? Woj reported the Whiteside trade an hour or two from when he reported Kanter leaving. That's what I relied upon. Now we have a new hypothesis, that they were a day apart.