You realize a factor in executive of the year is not just players, but the coaching staff they have as well, right?
But what are you comparing that to? How did those same people vote for COTY? That would be the only like-for-like comparison. I'm NOT saying Stotts is better than Olshey. I'm questioning how one could come to the conclusion that Olshey has done a better job than Stotts. Especially since he's the one in charge of keeping Stotts
This doesn't tell us where he was ranked and you should provide results from other seasons like I did Olshey.
I never realized Stotts was injured....and how all the other coaches are suffering through the same injuries? This is uncanny!
Talk about the results. Not what I think they mean. You're trying to wiggle your way out and change the subject again.
I didn't make the claim Olshey is clearly better, you did! If I make the claim Stotts is clearly better, I'll back it up! I don't think there is any way to come to that conclusion either way. But you want me to disprove your claim without you ever proving it?
It correlates to winning for us. We're 8-0 this year when we have more than 25 assists. 13-14 when we have less than 25. We're 29th in DRTG. If you dont think defensive quality correlates with winning and losing, then you're more far gone than I thought. You make this too easy.
I've provided examples repeatedly and you don't have any. So your premise is kind of thrown out the window. You can try to fill in the gaps but you're not very effective at it.
I already backed it up. Olshey has been voted as one of the league's best GMs even before he got to Portland. It's not my fault you can't find similar data on Stotts. You tried and fell flat on your face.
You do know there is a search feature on this site right? I used it to search Bjorkgren. Not one single mention of his name prior to being named head coach of the Pacers. Too bad you have to lie.
The reason ratings are so fickle is that they don't really account for bench development and sacrificing numbers for experience..you put in bottom of the bench guys that lose a lead and your DRTG goes to hell....if the other team waives the flag and puts in garbage rosters often ...your DTRG goes to hell but what you do get is to see your rookies learn to get up to speed even though you beat a team 120 -113 instead of 145-98.....and you also sacrifice ratings by resting your best players when you don't need them on the court....Nas couldn't really shoot at all last game but Stotts left him out there...that doesn't make Stotts a bad coach...it makes him a coach that'll develop his rookie...intangibles....games look closer on scoreboards than they often are.
1) Your sample size is still no where near valid. 2) FGM are also up in our wins. Are the made field goals increased because of the assists or are the assists up because of the made field goals? The important number would be precentage of shots that would've counted as assists. You'd also need to factor in the quality of opponent as that could also have an impact on assisted attempts given up. This is the problem picking one team, who played 35 games vs 30 teams over 10 seasons. You realize the irony in your claiming us being 29th in DRTG as proof that it correlates to winning because we're 8th in the league in wins with that rating. But again, 1 team playing half a season is not a statisically valid data set. Statistically valid data sets and correlation are two things that you continue to struggle to grasp.
You haven't provide ANY examples of apples to apples comparisons. Not one. i would love if you did because that would answer my original question
First you took issue with me suggesting that NBA front offices have more credibility with sportswriters. Then, you tried to provide a really poor example. Now you're saying I haven't provided any apples to apples comparison. You showed me one season where Stotts got some votes by the coaches association or something but didn't disclose where he was ranked. One season. No information as to how many votes he got. Olshey has been ranked in the top 5 of the GMs MULTIPLE YEARS by his peers. I have provided multiple examples and there others I didn't take the time to post because I already proved that Olshey is better at his job than Stotts. What are you not understanding?
For the 2nd time. I did not take issue with you suggesting front offices have more credibility. I took issue with you saying Olshey got votes in an award voting on by front offices and the Coach of the Year isn't voted on by front offices, so that doesn't count. The issue wasn't that the COTY doesn't count for you, it's that you didn't provided something on equal footing that did count. The only logical apples to apples thing would be the same voting body who voted on Executive of the Year and COTY. So in review: You made a claim that Person A > Person B, despite them being in totally different positions, and provided no apples to apples comparison to back it up. That's all I'm asking for. If I come out and say Person B > Person A, then the burden of proof would be on me. I would never make a claim that our athletic trainer is way better than our ticket sales manager or our backup center because there is no way to make a fair comparison between them.
Were 8th in wins because we've won a lot of close games against bad teams due to Dame's heroics, which is reflected by the fact that we have a negative point differential despite being 7 games above .500. But if you think that defensive quality doesnt matter in regards to winning, that's hilarious. Also, these stats arent based on half a season. They've been in this range across multiple seasons. But yes, talk about how you value data, then decry any set of data that you dont like. How pathetic is it that your argument is that ball movement and defense dont matter. No wonder you like Stotts. As far as your 2nd point, YOURE the one who said assists dont correlate with winning. That was your argument. Move the goalposts, but for anyone who knows what they're watching, its obvious this team gets better shots and scores the ball easier if they move the ball.
This guys all over the place and so blatantly biased that its impossible to have a reasonable conversation with him.
Even if it did, Olshey still wins. lol You're bonkers, dude. You're making this about me because you can't make it about Stotts. I showed that Olshey is better at his job and you can't respond so you spend your time on me. Unfortunate. The point is that even if was apples to apples, Olshey still wins and makes my argument true. Insufferable. Take your L and move on.
Did I say defensive quality doesn't matter? No. Again, you're having to twist things when you don't have data. I actually think there is a correlation between defensive rating and winning. I also think the correlationship between offensive rating and winning is stronger. Actually, I don't think either, the data would back that up. If greater ball movement led to more wins, why don't teams try to make as many passes as possible each possession? Why don't assists correlate to wins? What don't # of passes per game correlate to wins? It's scary that you're holding so strong to your beliefs, that even in the face of data, you refuse to accept it. Though, I guess a lot of people in our country are having those same struggles.
I guess you're not going to provide anything to back it up your personal belief, just more comments about me, and not the subject. Geoff Clark >>> Neil Olshey. Prove me wrong!
