Grade Olshey's deadline trades

you forgot Bazemore and Tolliver, and two 2nd's for Ariza, Gabriel, and Swanigam. Considering the Blazers only got 21 games out of Ariza, I'd say that was probably slightly negative because of the 2nd's

 

how many people here make 7 million a year and have fully manned scouting departments for developing player evaluations?

 

Huh? Think? You must have taken the season off. Go look at the numbers. Barton and CJ didn't get minutes. Seems like cognitive dissonance or just plain ignorance.

That's literally what happened. For better or for worse. Not sure what you're challenging.

I've been critical of Olshey plenty and have said on numerous occasions, the biggest mark on his legacy is his head coach. If firing him is the only way to get rid of Stotts then so be it.

Not sure where you're having trouble.

 

You didn't read the post carefully. I said that you seem to believe that Olshey thought that Stotts wouldn't play excellent young players--and that Olshey was cool with that (as proven by continuing to employ him for many years after that). That's a fairly ridiculous thesis. No GM would be okay with their coach choosing not to play really talented young players. So the person you were responding to, who said Olshey didn't believe in CJ back then, was almost certainly right.

What I'm challenging was your assumption that Olshey traded away Barton because, despite thinking Barton was great, he just didn't believe Olshey would play him. That's a silly assumption. A GM doesn't throw away talent because he believes the coach won't play talent--a GM throws away the coach in that situation.

You've consistently defended him, saying he's assembled great teams and every problem is solely Stotts' fault. You keep saying that Olshey shouldn't be fired, only Stotts.

As for the cognitive dissonance, you're holding two contradictory thoughts in your head: 1. anyone who thinks Stotts is a good coach is an idiot and 2. Olshey is an excellent GM despite thinking Stotts is a good coach.

Personally, I think both Olshey and Stotts are sub-mediocre. I don't think the Blazers will be a very good team until both are upgraded.

 

No, I read it carefully. A coach not playing his young guys is hardly unique. Olshey can think Stotts is a great coach and still understand that he has biases towards young players. Olshey drafted CJ in the lottery. It's a completely baseless claim to suggest Olshey didn't believe in CJ. It's the type of trash journalism that I would expect from a guy like Jason Quick. People have claimed for years that Olshey is too attached to his picks, especially in the lottery, but magically in this scenario he didn't believe in one? Please, do better.

Did I say Olshey thought Barton was great? If so, please indicate where. You're characterizing the trade as "throwing away talent" when it just simply wasn't. Afflalo at the time was one of the better guards in the league and he was playing well coming off our bench for Matthews. You can frame it however you want but it seems you're making assumptions that just don't live in reality.

I've never said Olshey shouldn't be fired and I've never said every problem is solely on Stotts. Stop with the blatant lies and characterizations. I have said on numerous occassions that Olshey has missed on drafting big men and won't take the big swing when it's available, ie Harden, Butler, George. Olshey is plenty responsible for Stotts' employment. I simply said that Olshey is much better at his job than Stotts and have shown that by where their peers put them.

I have actually said neither of these things so I'm not sure where you're getting this from.

That's fine. Olshey's peers disagree with you. It's harder to find a really good GM than it is a really good coach. Stotts had a horrible record before he got to Portland. Olshey did not.

They are not equal. That's all I said. Try to follow along better if you're going to go out of your way to attack someone's stance.

 

Thanks for posting this. Nice to see it all in one place.

The Nurkic trade really does stick out like a sore thumb among a sea of mediocrity and disappointment.

Portland has some of the best success in the league at turning non-lotto picks into NBA-caliber players. Kind of a shame how we seem to toss those picks around like they aren't worth anything, when the reality is they are worth more to us than anybody else.

 

So Bazemore, Tolliver, tw0 2nds, Ariza and two 1sts....for Covington.

 

That's cool, Stotts' peers disagree with you. That's a terrible argument and you know it, and you would point out what a terrible argument it was if applied to Stotts. I just find it funny that you're not capable of any nuance. Your brain starts and stops with "Stotts bad" and you can't process anything else, any other failure points in the team.

 

more accurate, with just a little overlap, is Staskas + Baldwin + Bazemore + Tolliver + Ariza + two 1st's + four 2nd's for RoCo and Hood. Basically, 6 draft picks including two 1st's for RoCo and a hobbled Hood

making it look worse is that Houston turned around and traded Ariza and the Portland 2020 first for Christian Wood and a future 1st. Basically, they traded RoCo for Christian Wood and two 1st's

 

Where do Stotts' peers disagree? What metric are you using?

I've never said Stotts is bad. I think he's a fine coach for a team trying to get out of the lottery.

I live rent free in your head so much that you've assigned opinions to me that I've never said. Haha

What's my horoscope and what's my blood type? Do tell.

 

He's been runner-up for coach of the year, for example (and received votes in other years). And he's been spoken of well in situations where his name was not brought up by other coaches. It's pretty obvious that around the league he's pretty well-regarded as a coach.

Functioning adults don't unironically say "I live rent free in your head," so I assume you're attempting to perform a parody of a teenager who's lost the argument. You're a film-maker, right?

 

You're leaving your argument pretty early. Seems like you realize you've lost the argument and are now attacking me personally.

I have to live rent-free in your head if you're assigning statements and opinions to me that I never made.

Despite your best Tucker Carlson impression, I appreciate your contributions.

 

Rolling around in his money.

 

Go take a look at who votes for coach of the year.

Hint - it's not other NBA coaches.

He was a loser before he came to the Blazers. His record before he got here was atrocious. That's not to say he is worthless. Just stating the facts. In comparison, Olshey was highly regarded before joining the Blazers.

I'm not saying Olshey is perfect or Stotts is worthless. All that I'm showing is that Olshey has been more highly regarded amongst his peers than Stotts. That's all.

 

the Hood trade paid off easily