OT Anti-Vaxxers

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  1. EL PRESIDENTE

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    I want the maximum, future flexibility. I understand the vaccines may wear off after some time, but are they totally gone out of your system then?
     
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    Dude, do you have a doctor or are you really willing to trust your health to this bunch of basketball forum nerds?
     
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  3. EL PRESIDENTE

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    I asked 3-4 doctors, 2 PCPs and a Cardiologist and I got better answers here.
     
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    It's about teaching your immune system to react quicker to when you get a virus. It's like the flu vaccine, many times the flu mutates so the flu vaccine isn't AS effective but it is still better than not having any vaccine in terms of length and severity of the illness if you do get the flu.

    But to address your question, if the Moderna or Pfizer variant booster won't work with the J&J shot you will then just have to get two Moderna/Pfizer shots but that is still better than refusing to get the J&J shot. The more people getting any vaccine including the J&J reduces the possible need for any variant booster shots.
     
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    Fair enough. Personally, I wouldn't go mix and match on vaccines unless I absolutely had to. The different companies conduct research based on their formulations alone. J&J is reportedly studying what a booster shot does and, I think I read, is also looking at a new formulation to address variants. If their studies come back recommending a booster to their original vaccine, that's what I'd do. Your mileage may vary.
     
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    The answer is to take whatever is available now because they all work good. When we need a booster, and we will based on what I understand on how the virus is mutating, then you take that booster. The mrna vaccines are revolutionary tech and now that it's been tested then booster tweaks for variants will be no problem at all.
     
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    A healthy person is more likely to die in a car accident on the way than Covid.
     
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    Covid death rate in US is 160 per 100k. Traffic fatality rate is under 13 per 100k.
     
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    But lots of people were complaining about Trumps advise on this. Whats that say?
     
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    And you're more likely to get struck by lightening then you are winning the grand prize in Megabucks lottery drawing.

    But I'm not sure the data is there to support your claim.

    Over 500,000 covid deaths in a year.

    38,000 die from car crashes.

    What we don't know yet is if covid has had a direct effect on car crashes during the past year. Which seems likely since so many people were staying home more last year and places like bars were closed in most of the country.
     
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    Wait, huh?

    So it doesn't prove it? Can you prove these 520,000 were all direct covid deaths?

    some double standards going on around here again. When it was brought up last year that many of the deaths being called covid related were very suspect, it was dismissed...

    Im not saying I know what the truth is, but it cant be both ways. If the vaccine isnt a proven death, then the covid death count has not been proven either.

    Its not about vaccine denial, Its about what people say is the truth, being suspect.
     
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    Trump was the leader of the country and had full access to the top medical and scientific experts in the world and often chose to ignore them.
     
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    Can you prove those 500K are all covid deaths?
     
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    And people got up in arms about it, even though they know they shouldnt listen to him. Seems silly to me.
     
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    I know better to take advice from Trump, that doesn't mean it isn't harmful if he gives bad or false advice, and it leads to worse outcomes.
     
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    It should be up to the airlines or venues hosting the events or services.
     
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    Last I heard there average yearly death count in the United States was about 1 million more over the previous year, directly or indirectly covid seems to be the only factor that could explain this. When it's all said and done, when the final numbers are tabulated, when the dead people are dug out from NY nursing homes, the final death numbers are going to be higher vs lower than the 500,000 tally.
     
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