clev. out: larry nance,jr clev. in: knicks pick @ around #21, TPE aprox $10 mil. Knicks out: picks #15, pick #21, pick #33, cap space Knicks in: CJ Blazers out: CJ Blazers in: Larry Nance,jr., #15, #33, TPE $20 Mil. besides the picks, tpe, would allow cap flexability to re-sign powell and collins and still have non-tax MLE?
I like the thread. Find it interesting that people claim CJ is an all-star/all-star talent, but then any trade where we'd get an all-star forward in return isn't reasonable and even some trades that don't involve us getting a non all-star forward is unlikely.
If I knew that all three of Stotts getting fired, DJ opting in and retaining Powell were going to happen then I would trade CJ and Nurk to the Pacers for Turner and Brogdan. I would have a three guard rotation where Brogdan and Powell would be penciled in to get 30 minutes and Dame would be penciled in to get 36. With scraps going to whoever else. That's how I would play it. I would hopefully get a guy like JaMychal Green with the MLE and have a forward rotation of DJ, RoCo, Little and Green. We have early bird rights on Enes... so I'd re-sign him too. Hopefully we'd get an extension done with RoCo during the off season as well. I would give Zach his qualifying offer if he was healthy enough to play ball by the deadline to make the offer, otherwise I'd let him walk. Dame, Powell, DJ, RoCo, Turner, Brogdan, Little, Green, Enes and possibly Zach is a legit contending rotation. Fill the rest of the team up with Ant and a bunch of other guys that can play in blowouts and in case of injury. So I guess I wouldn't target a forward in the trade market. I do like the idea that if the Pacers weren't down for this and we are able to retain Powell, that we trade CJ for Harris... that's not bad.
Powell/Butler changes the whole team defensively regardless of coach. Thats who they are, back court two way players, which is what we lack.
Blazers would be better off with Dame and Ingram. Two all-star level talents instead of the one they have now, and a real PG I'm also pretty sure Dame will be a difficult player to trade with his supermax deal. Portland saw the value in that contract, but I don't think other teams would view Dame the same...at least not to the point of making an equitable trade where the Blazers don't have to eat plenty of bad salary personally, I'd quit caring about the Blazers if Olshey traded Dame and kept CJ. Hell, maybe that has been Olshey's plan all along...strap Portland on a treadmill with Dame as the face of the team until people get so tired of rinse/repeat they will give a pass to Olshey for trading Dame instead of CJ how do we know that? teams have never tried to "shut down" CJ in any manner resembling the consistent, game-long intensity and focus they have applied to Dame. And why should they? when they've warped their defense to Dame and left CJ single-covered, he hasn't made teams pay. That has happened at least 3 times in the last 2 weeks and Portland lost all of those games, pretty much guaranteeing we'll see it in the playoffs, assuming Portland gets there (which I think they will)
I like Nance Jr. but I think we could get more for CJ. And do we really need picks right now; we need to win now.
I noticed that too "CJ is playing like an all-star" gave way to "not a chance the Pels trade Ingram for CJ or the Knicks trade Randall for CJ" for the longest time, several posters here kept insisting the CJ we saw for the first dozen games of the season was the new, improved CJ we'd see for the rest of his all-star career in Portland. That what he did was sustainable, and not just a perfect storm of hot-shooting and everything breaking his way. That if he regressed, it would only be by a little bit. He has regressed back toward his norms, and by quite a bit I do think CJ has improved this season...or at least tilted his approach toward his strengths. His 3ptFGA rate is 50% when his career number is 35%. He has played a lot less MeJ this season and has looked like a more willing passer (although MeJ has been appearing more and more lately). His assisted FG rate is much higher. And he's doing a better job of staying in front of his man on defense, although he's still a minus defender. He still doesn't land in all-star territory, but he can be a valuable, albeit expensive, addition to some teams. I just don't think there's any chance Olshey shops him though, unless he has orders from Seattle
Forwards like that are more valuable. It seems likely you will not get equal or better "all-star value" by trading a short player (with questionable at best defense ) for a taller, athletic, 2 way player.
Exactly my view, and I've been pretty consistent about it every time trading CJ has come up. My view is that if you can retain Powell, the Blazers should see if they can deal CJ for a good two-way forward. Not an All Star caliber one, but one who has some defensive versatility and can contribute on offense--whether as a play-maker, shooter or efficient (even if not volume) scorer.
LOL...and it could be true something does appear off for the Clippers. They should be better than they are, IMO. Could it be that as wings, Kawhi and PG13 have some of the same redundancy issues Dame and CJ have as guards? they'd want considerably more than CJ though, considering the price they paid to land George. Maybe Ballmer and Jody Allen can compromise over the objections of Olshey oh gawd...an injury prone big man. Blazers try to corner the market I'd have no interest in KP. Even though my rep is a CJ-hater, I don't think KP is any better than CJ. Maybe the fit would be better, but it's never a good fit in street clothes stepping back a month or so I can see a trade of two with Dallas that didn't include KP, and might have made some sense for both teams ****************************************** I think you may be right that if the world spins off it's axis and Olshey shops CJ it might have to be a 3-team deal. I do think it's a mistake to limit trade ideas to just CJ (plus) for 'pick-your-all-star' deals. The fact that Portland might have Powell to step into CJ's starting role is a good foundation for a trade. Is Powell really a downgrade from CJ? for instance, in an alternate reality, would the Blazers have been better off with a Dame-Powell-RoCo-Aaron Gordan-Nurk lineup while gaining 15-18M in flexibility under the tax line? If you don't like Gordon, then think of non-all-star forwards like Jeremi Grant or Chris Boucher or Brandon Clarke
Another Pac 12 player that was under-respected by many on this board. Probably not sure if he is worth what he or his wants, but I think he would fit well next to Nurk. The question is he better than Zach? Offensively yes, defensively no. Who is more likely to stay healthy moving forward? Who fits better next to Nurk? I would say Lauri but he would cost more. But maybe that is how we get him. Chicago might think they can resign Zach a lot easier.
after re-signing Norm and collins we go all in and use the atheletes picked with the TPE for maybe"Harrison Frackin' Barnes" or similar contract. (t. ross, g. harris, k. olynyk, kyle anderson, t.prince, thad.young, chief ) edit...i understand they cant be used together but as two separate trades really being pieces of one.
