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  1. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I need to have emergency surgery on my heart. Who do I want to do it?

    The guy who has been doing it for 30 years and has mastered it, or the guy who just got out of grad school and has only done one?
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    You can't expect arguments to actually follow any sort of factual basis, instead they just need words or phrases that sound intelligent.
     
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    Damn I didn’t know we had so many people in favor of 30 year politicians. It’s a little sad.

    None of the founders were career politicians when they helped create this country.

    I would rather have someone in office who is there to create change rather than worry about getting elected.
     
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    With publicly funded elections and competitive pay there will not as likely be 30 year politicians unless they are good. If they are good I'm fine with 30 year politicians. If they aren't good they'll lose to better candidates.

    You'll actually have competition.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Term limits is the only way you can ensure that, because people will always re-elect a guy who has been there a long time. It takes so long for a new congressman/woman to work their way up the chain. So you don't want to vote someone out that has been there a while and have to start over fresh with a new person.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Most of the founders thought women were less than men, and that blacks were property. Not sure that's such a good argument to make.
     
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    I’m not frightened of her. But she is an idiot. And socialism doesn’t work. That has been proven over and over throughout history.
     
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    She’s pretty though. So there’s that.
     
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    And yet.... they put together a foundation that still stands today :dunno:

    My point was that normal, every day people came together and built this country from nothing. I don't know what your point has to do with that.
     
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    Term limits are also how you ensure good ones are kicked out. We want good policy makers...
     
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    Show me one politician who hasn't taken money from a major corporation. They're all bought and paid for. Maybe Bernie Sanders.... that's it.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    a foundation that was created on the backs of/work of slaves and later on chinese and children. My point is using them as some kind of barometer is silly in 2021.
     
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    Hence the "publicly funded elections" proposal...
     
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    Is she advocating for socialism? Somebody else said so, but I'm unable to find any evidence which backs that up.
     
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    https://www.businessinsider.com/ale...plains-what-democratic-socialism-means-2019-3

    Scandinavian countries are all capitalism based economies... And very successful since basically WWII. The most happy, well educated, and healthy people on the planet, so... Not socialism. Not failed.
     
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    Disagreeing with a person does not make her an idiot. She is very far from idiot.
     
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    Seriously, the country was a lot simpler in the 1700s. We need people who know what the fuck they are doing.

    It's an abdication of voter responsibility to say "well, we can't seem to make good decisions, so let's limit our choices'. But if we are going to do that, we ought to limit the choices in a way that leads to better public servants, not worse.

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    Well, Sen. Santorum, you might want to consider that it wasn't nothing. Those normal, everyday people came together and took the country from the natives, from the British, from the Spanish, from the Mexicans, and others. The natural resources the country gained weren't created by the founders.

    Nor were the founders 'normal, everyday people'. They were largely well-educated and wealthy. They were what people today would sneeringly call 'elites'.

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    Cool. You guys want to keep skirting around what I'm talking about and injecting topics that are completely unrelated.
     
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    By foundation, I'm talking the Bill of Rights. The Constitution. The three branches of government. Jesus christ you guys are blowing this up to be something much more complicated. I'm talking about a bunch of citizens getting together and putting down on paper a country that still exists today. Why you guys need to inject slavery and women's rights and whatever the hell else is beyond me.
     
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