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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    They could run a corpse and still win, as long as it's on the Dem ticket.
     
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    With the protests and vandalism in downtown Portland and the homeless problem I think enough dems will not support a former Portland mayor or Metro president to make a quality repub candidate win.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    It's the same argument it always is.

    lesser of two evils. They will never vote GOP. Never.

    Freakin Kitzhaber was under investigation and still won.
     
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    I disagree.
    I'm all for allowing anyone who legally has a right to vote.

    We recently moved last fall, so I had to go through the voting registration process. It's not hard in the least. Yes, you have to provide documentation that you are who you say & where you live - but that should be standard. Why do some consider voting registration so difficult?

    If people are not engaged enough to put minimal effort into registering - then I have a hard time believing that they are engaged enough to understanding who/what they are voting for. I'd argue that's a receipie to get MORE dipshits in office.
     
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    Some states will revoke your DL for not paying a fine or ticket. Revoked DL means no valid ID. No valid ID means can't vote. Fines are a civil problem. A civil problem should not prevent you from voting.
     
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    That is false. You can have a valid ID without a valid DL in any state.
     
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    No, some states will not issue ID of your DL is suspended until fees are paid.
     
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    No, it is false. Most people associate that with Texas. I just checked and it is false. Now you might get arrested if there is a warrant out for you, but otherwise you can get an I.D. card.
     
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    Per lawyer in Texas...

    "You should be eligible to get a Texas ID but just beware that if you have warrants you may be arrested."
     
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    Wasn't talking about Texas.
     
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    Publicly funded elections FTW.
     
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    Then who were you talking about?
     
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    Listening to what the citizens of Ferguson, Missouri were protesting about after the Michael Brown shooting.
     
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    Dig a little deeper than just listening to what a bunch of protesters are yelling.
     
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    WTF?!?

    Come on. Really?
     
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    thats your response? Your taking the word of protestors without looking up or referencing the state rule of this and you say wtf to him for saying to look deeper?


    Wtf?

    come on. Really?

    here....

    dor.mo.gov/faq/drivers/newlook.php

    Dor.mo.gov/drivers/license.php


    I cant find any info stating one cant get an id card if their dl is suspended.

    not saying it isnt true but find it hard to believe...
     
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    Yes, that is my response. I apologize that it did not meet your standards.

    I didn't have time to give a detailed response to what I feel was a reply that was not really looking for one.

    Yes, I listen to what protesters are protesting about. I feel that is the only way to judge whether their protest has merit.

    I did this with the BLM and read in detail their Broken Windows website and legislative action that are being taken in different cities and states.

    I did this with the different protests over the election results last Nov.

    And I did this with the Ferguson, Missouri protests. It was interesting at the time because Ferguson was 70% black but the vast majority of elected political leadership was white. The police department was majority white. How does the leadership of a community not reflected the citizens of that community?

    There were many articles written at the time and have continued to be written since. There does seem to be a very high rate of voter disenfranchisement in Missouri.

    I can provide links to articles about this if you would like to read them.

    I did not and still don't feel like this is a discussion that Tlong wants to have. He does seem to want to talk about Texas which to be honest I know nothing about their voting procedures and if widespread voter disenfranchisement occurs.

    But again, to answer his question, I do not and have not listened to video or audio recordings of the protestors in order to form my opinion there is a with voter disenfranchisement.

    Again, I apologize that my reply to tlong was not acceptable to you.
     
  18. Orion Bailey

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    first, please stop apologizing to me. You know it goes nowhere with me and i believe its all patronizing fluff..

    Second,what does anything you just said have to do with the complaint about missouri not giving ids out to people with suspended dls?

    because you listened and studies protests?

    not trying to speak for tlong but your response didn't solidify tour stance at all.
    Anyhow, if you have any info on it, id love to read it because if it is true thats messed up.
    But like i said, i cant find anything about it, admittedly in my limited search, regarding this.

    do you have it?

    I don't trust protestors any more than i trust cops. All have an agenda and most skew things to slant towards their narrative.

    the state however has nothing about this complaint on their sites that i can find.
     
  19. SlyPokerDog

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    I apologize for apologizing.

    I think there is a big different in listening/researching/reading what a group is protesting about vs being told by a person who is critical of the protests what they're protesting about. I think that is a fair way to see if the protests have merit. And for the record merit does not mean I agree or support them. Just trying to figure out what is going on, what are they upset about, what are their desired outcome.

    Anyway...

    Here are a series of articles about voter disenfranchisement through court fines. Some of these can be for something as simple as a broken tail light.

    61 Forms of Voter Suppression

    1. Strict voter photo ID laws
    2. Closing of DMV’s in strict voter ID law states
    3. Failure to accept government-issued state university and college student ID’s
    4. No early voting
    5. Early voting cuts
    6. No Sunday Souls to the Polls Early Voting
    7. Harsh requirements/punishments for voter registration groups
    8. Tough Deputy Registrar Requirements
    9. Harsh voter registration compliance deadlines
    10. Failure to timely process voter registrations
    11. Cuts to Election Day (Same Day) registration
    12. Polling place reductions or consolidations
    13. Polling place relocations
    14. Inadequate or poorly trained staffing at polls
    15. Inadequate number of functioning machines, optical scanners, or electronic polling books
    16. Running out of ballots at polling sites
    17. No paper ballots
    18. Failure to accept Native American tribal IDs.
    19. Barring Native American voters through residential address requirements for Native American lands which have PO Boxes
    20. Failure to place polling sites on Native American lands
    21. Refusal to place polling sites on college campuses
    22. Lack of available public transportation to polling sites
    23. Excessive Voter purging
    24. Disparate racial treatment at polling sites
    25. Student voting restrictions
      • Residency
    26. Ex-felon disenfranchisement laws
    27. Requiring Payment of Fines or Fees As Condition of Vote Restoration
    28. Failure to Inform Formerly Incarcerated Persons of Their Voting Rights or Eligibility to Vote
    29. Excessive Use of Inactive voter lists
    30. No Public Outreach or Notification to Voters Placed on Inactive Lists
    31. Language discrimination

      • Failure to accommodate
    32. Lack of language-accessible materials
    33. Failure to accommodate voters with disabilities
    34. No disability accessibility
    35. No Curbside Voting
    36. Not enough disability accessible voting equipment

    37. Barriers to assistance by family members or others for voters

    38. Deceptive practices

    • Flyers

    • Robocalls

    39. Voter intimidation

    • Impersonating law enforcement personnel or immigration officers

    40. Police at polling places

    41. Racial gerrymandering

    42. Creating polling place confusion by splitting Black precincts

    43. Partisan gerrymandering

    44. Barriers for homeless voters to voter registration

    45. Voter caging

    • Use of One-Time Post cards/Mailers

    46. Voter challengers at polls

    47. Voter challenges to voter registration lists

    48. Use of Suspense lists

    49. Absentee Ballot Short Return Deadlines

    50. Exact match requirements for signatures or other information

    51. Complicated Absentee Ballot Requirements

    52. Proof of Citizenship Laws

    513 Out-of-precinct = no vote counted requirements

    54. Failure to pre-register 17 year olds

    55. Restrictions on straight-party voting

    56. Interstate voter registration Crosscheck system

    57. Jailed persons’ preconviction: denied right to register and/or vote

    58. DOJ demanding voter records

    59. Employers not providing time off or enough time

    60. Failure to assist or accommodate voters displaced by natural disasters

    61. Long lines

    https://www.votingrightsalliance.org/forms-of-voter-suppression

    Here is a detailed example of fine based poll taxes.

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    https://campaignlegal.org/sites/default/files/2019-07/CLC_CPCV_Report_Final_0.pdf

    And another one.

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...ng-rights/fines--fees--and-the-right-to-vote/

    Here is one specific to St Louis county, home to Ferguson. That county has 88 different municipalities that can issue fines and citations. Fines and citations that if not paid can lead to voter disenfranchisement. Fines and citations for things as minor as a broken tail light.

    https://theappeal.org/st-louis-county-fines-and-fees-ferguson/

    https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/four-years-later-ferguson




     
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    findlaw.com

    Getting an ID: Will the DMV Check for Warrants? - FindLaw
    Created by FindLaw's team of legal writers and editors | Last updated May 04, 2020

    Warrants for your arrest can happen for a number of reasons. Admin mistakes like never receiving court date information or missing court due to scheduling conflicts can happen. Whether you accidentally or purposefully avoided court, arrest warrants can be an extra annoyance to already tedious legal situations.

    If your new court date is weeks away but you need to renew your license now, it can be confusing to know how your local Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) will treat you.

    Will the DMV Check for Warrants When I Try to Get a State ID?
    Yes. The DMV will check to see if you have outstanding warrants or a bench warrant. They may have a Department of Public Safety (DPS) officer on-site.

    This is a tactic that some cities use to arrest people with outstanding warrants. Still, the most common way to get caught for a warrant is being pulled over while driving and the police officer running your ID information.

    Can I Go to the DMV With a Warrant?
    Yes, you are free to go there and you will be allowed in. But the minute you hand over any form of identification card or they run your information, they will see there is an active warrant out for your arrest.

    From that point, they can:

    • Call local law enforcement
    • Signal a plainclothes or DPS officer to approach you
    • Deny your services until the warrants are handled
    Can You Get an ID Card/Driver's License With a Warrant?
    No, it is unlikely that a DMV employee will give you a new license or renew an old one if you have a warrant. The majority of state policies say that driving or traveling are privileges for people without outstanding warrants. And officers at government buildings, airports, and bus stations will check your ID against the national police database.

    The same applies for a passport, passport card ID, or getting a Real ID. Applying for most new jobs will require a background check that includes a warrant check.

    If you are avoiding handling a warrant, you should know it can prevent you from driving, traveling, or job hunting.

    How Can I Get an ID If I Have Warrants?
    Dealing with the warrant first is your only option. You may need to pay outstanding fines, attend a court date, or speak with a judge or probation officer to clear the warrant.

    If you are unsure what the problem is and if a warrant is still out there, a criminal law attorney can look up your record and explain your options.

    A police department can also look up your record, but then they will have you on the phone and may know where you are. Their job is to go and get you, whereas an attorney's job is to make sure your rights are protected and you get the best outcome possible.


    What to Do If You Have a Warrant Out for Your Arrest
    A warrant does not disappear on its own. They last forever and go across state lines. Your only options are to take care of it by:

    • Turning yourself in (with or without an attorney by your side)
    • Wait for the police to find you
    Arrest warrants are common for legal issues such as misdemeanors, traffic violations, vehicle registration issues, unpaid traffic tickets, probation violations, and driving with a suspended license.

    A "traffic warrant" is another name for a state warrant asking police to bring you into the local precinct.

    Will the DMV Check for a Warrant in My State?
    The majority of state DMVs will run a check for any outstanding warrants. A DMV office is a government building. They have a duty to uphold the law by screening drivers for good vision, ensuring they can legally drive, and making sure people with warrants get them handled. However, how strict they are on these rules can vary from city to city.

    State-Specific Rules Around IDs and Warrants
    You can be arrested from any place if there is a warrant out. If you are on private property, the police may need additional warrants. Since a DMV is public property, you can be arrested at the DMV in any state.

    All states are legally instructed to handle arrest warrants the same way. However, whether the DMV employee calls the police to arrest you depends on the individual offices. It can depend on the staff at your particular police station or courthouse, or it can vary between rural areas and cities.

    Some DMVs have an officer on site and will arrest you on the spot, while others may do nothing.

    Handle Your Warrant Before Renewing a License
    A criminal defense or traffic ticket attorney can offer legal advice. You can choose to hire them and form an attorney-client relationship. Then, they will defend the charges, fight to lower the fines, and have the warrant lifted.

    Many attorneys can answer your warrant-related questions during a free consultation.

    Note: If you have a felony warrant out for your arrest, you should hire an attorney. These warrants are taken very seriously and you are likely facing a serious criminal defense case ahead of you. Protect yourself by starting the process with an experienced attorney that you trust.
     

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