crock of shit "multiple young players"...? LOL...the Rockets got the perpetually injured, going on 30 Oladipo; the always injured Dante Exum; and the useless Rodions Kurucs That's it...that's the extent of Houston's young players haul. It's garbage
Lavert will be 27 in a month (and has missed an average of 27 games a year over his career). He's not a "young player". Allen is 23, so yeah, he fits the young player mold. So, "multiple" young players turns out to be 1
you’re arguing semantics. I think lavert qualifies for enough people to be in that category. At the very least he’s positive trade value.
he's the same age as Nurkic, and I doubt anybody would consider Nurkic young it may be semantics but "young' was a term the author of the article used. The history of the trades of franchise players is that the pre-trade expectations of the return always overrate the reality and the idea that the Kings or Rockets would want to trade for a 31 year old player on a super-max contract seems way off too. The 76ers or Miami, OK. Maybe even NY. But the teams that will want to trade for Dame won't have a lot of young players and are very unlikely to have any lottery picks (and no, the Knicks don't count because Portland isn't trading Dame in the next 2 weeks)
You’re really getting caught up in one or two words. End of the day, Rockets got 4 picks and 3 swaps. Some of those picks were from moving positive value assets they received in the deal, however you want to litigate the word “young”. That was the haul. That’s what the article is suggesting the Sum of the value we can get is. Also, I think the Rockets clearly misvalued Oladipo. They figured they would be able to flip him for at least a first, ended up getting a protected second. That was a fault of the FO.
so then, cut out the other teams and just make it a Nets/Rockets swap and the Rockets get Lavert, Allen, Prince, 4 swaps and 3 firsts. Would you trade Dame for that kind of package knowing that for the next 4-5 years those picks will be in 25-30 range? You can pretty much dismiss at least two of the swaps, probably 3 of them. So then 3 picks and a swap, and at least a couple of the picks will be late 1st round. That would be a shitty return for Dame
I’m not arguing that we should trade Dame, but if we did trade him, this is the package we’re likely to get. Also I think fans generally undervalue unprotected firsts that are 5-6 years out, and Rockets got 3 (2 and a swap). On strictly value alone I don’t think you can definitively say one way or another until those picks are made.
this is what Houston got: the reason they got that Cleveland pick is because they diverted Lavert and Allen. As you said, they took shittier players to elevate their draft pick haul I doubt the Blazers would do that (even though they should) here's the thing, Durant, Harden, and Irving are all signed thru 2023. Sure...things could 'happen' but it seems a pretty safe assumption that the first two pick swaps won't be exercised. It also seems a safe assumption that Houston is trying the philly model and will suck for the next 2-4 years in order to maximize their own picks. I wouldn't put much value at all on the 2025 swap or the 2024 pick. I do not see any lottery picks in that bunch of picks till maybe 2026....5 years from now this reinforces what I'd advocate and that's if Portland goes the nuclear route of trading Dame, they should absolutely trade CJ, Nurkic, RoCo and any player over 24 with decent value and go into a full rebuild. They should go tank-for-the-lottery-mode because the best case scenario after trading Dame is another 5 years of mediocrity. No point to that shit
It's pretty clear to me the 24-27 picks/swaps are the main parts of the deal. You have no way of projecting where those could land. And yeah, no shit they should tank and trade everything if they had to trade Dame. Houston chose to tank. They traded Westbrook for a worse player to get a pick. They moved LaVert and Allen for a pick so they would be more likely to keep their pick this year (Worked out for them, they got #2), knowing they would still suck with Oladipo after, but maybe he would play well enough for some desperate team to trade another pick for him (that part didn't work as well). Like you, my preference is to not trade Dame. But if he requested a trade, I would look for something like this. Seems like based on your arguments that you would too.
sure but it will be disgusting if it comes to that a year from now (or even by the trade deadline) and the Blazers have made not one 'single swing-for-the-fences' move. Just the typical rinse-repeat-every-off-season moves and it will be enraging if the guy who basically drove Dame out of Portland by piss-poor management ends up being the guy who trades him
And most of that draft capital will most likely end up being crap. For it to pan out, at least 2 0f the picks need to become a potential superstar & perennial all star PERIOD! They should have kept Levert.
“Kevin O’Connor of The Ringer spoke with several NBA execs about the Lillard situation, and most don’t expect the star point guard to be traded this summer. If Portland did move Lillard, however, the belief is that the return could potentially be unprecedented.”
