WHAT THE FUCK. Has anyone heard this before? Ramona Shelburne says in 2011 when Olshey was with the Clippers, he had the Chris Paul trade at the 5 foot line for about a week. Reason was the Hornets at the time kept asking for one more asset (like a future 1st) and Olshey held out. Eventually got the deal done without that extra asset. I do not remember the details at the time, but could Olshey be holding out until someone panics for McCollum?
Yes. Right now Morey and Neil are playing chess. All of this shit is just smoke to try to out maneuver the other. I don't think any team offered us a top 4 pick for CJ.
Why what the fuck? Lol I mean, Neil has one shot at this so it’s best he doesn’t panic to do something now, he has the summer. The only problem with Dame coming out and saying he needs help doesn’t help Neil, as teams know we are feeling pressure to make a trade so they will be trying to get Cj for less than his value.
I honestly think at this point it is more likely that we get Siakam in a three team trade with the Cavs involved. Portland get Siakam Cavs get CJ Raptors get #3 and Love Portland get the second all star who also not long ago was an all nba player. Cavs apparently really like CJ enough to trade their #3 pick Raptors get the #3 and #4, putting them in a prime position to land Mobley and Barnes, who they are rumored being very interested in
Revisionist history right there. NBA {David Stern}rejected the original trade that paired chris paul with kobe bryant in fakerland. neil's clippers trade wasn't originally the trade that the acting GM Demps took for paul. david sterns rejected the trade and accepted the clips' trade. As per multiple reports at that time, here's a look at the players involved (excluding future draft picks) in the full deal between the Lakers, New Orleans Hornets and the Houston Rockets. Los Angeles Lakers: PG Chris Paul (from Hornets) New Orleans Hornets: F Lamar Odom (from Lakers), SG Kevin Martin (from Rockets), PF Luis Scola (from Rockets), PG Goran Dragic (from Rockets) Houston Rockets: PF Pau Gasol (from Lakers) finalized deal: The Clippers will send guard Eric Gordon, center Chris Kaman, forward Al-Farouq Aminu and Minnesota's unprotected 2012 first-round pick to the Hornets for Paul. The Clippers will also receive two future second-round picks
I think we'll end up with Simmons by the end of the draft. I think that Olshey and Morey are negotiating both on the phone and through media shit. I think both want to get that centerpiece but Neil is trying to give up as few of extra assets as possible but will make the move with the picks or Nas or Ant or a combination before he has to make his sales pitch to Norm for him to stay and before he gets outbid by someone else. Like they were talking about on that clip from The Jump, Neil's done this before... I'm just hoping half of me doesn't trust Neil even for a second.
there are quotes out there of david stern interviews about his over ruling Demps and accepting the clips' offer. EDIT: the nba at the time was itself part owner of the new orleans franchise. Former NBA commissioner David Stern explained on Thursday why he vetoed the original Chris Paul trade that involved the New Orleans Hornets, the Los Angeles Lakers and the Houston Rockets five years ago. “I'm going to correct your language: What 'cancelation'? The GM [Dell Demps] was not authorized to make that trade,” Stern told Brian Berger on the Sports Business Radio Road Show. “And acting on behalf of owners, we decided not to make it. I was an owner rep. There was nothing to 'void.' It just never got made." “When you're the commissioner and you have two teams that are ticked off at you, as in the Lakers and Houston, and the GMs without wanting to be attributed, spend their time trashing you, the wrong impression can be granted. It was one of the few times I decided to just go radio silent and let it play out, and I got killed. So, the answer is: there was never a trade. It was never approved by me as the owner rep.” https://www.si.com/nba/2016/12/08/chris-paul-lakers-rockets-trade-david-stern-explains
looks like revisionist history as lawai'a said the NBA (David Stern) vetoed a Chris Paul trade to the Lakers. IIRC it was a three team deal and all teams had agreed. 5 days later CP3 was traded to the Clippers. The Hornets had to trade CP3 after their preferred trade was vetoed. The Clippers were the fall-back. I don't think it had as much to do with Olshey as it did to do with Hornet desperation and very limited options. They had been shopping Paul for weeks
he didn't 'hold out' but you can't really trade a guy, have the trade vetoed, and then just reintegrate him into the flow of things. He was already unhappy in New Orleans
I think this is one of his problems; he always wants to make a lopsided trade like the one for Paul, and so misses on some deals he should have made. This time everyone knows he is desperate so he will probably have to overpay.
The only way to get a possible needle mover player at 3-5 is to package CJ/Nurk/ a youngster/ and picks
I don't know if it was as much of trying to make a lopsided trade as it was swinging for the fences. I think in his mind adding a 3rd player (i.e Paul George) to compliment Dame and CJ was the best way to win it all. Swapping one for the other might have made us a little better but would we have won it all? Doubtful so why do it and then lose that player a year later in FA? He may have been wrong but I think you can make a case for either strategy.
