Trade Ideas Thread

ya it's what i was thinking. it's why i mentioned more would probably need to go Indy's way.

 

I mean, if you believe the rumors, both Brogdon+1st and Siakam have been offered. In my mind, those are both better offers than CJ, but who knows what Morey actually thinks.

 

No.

Sabonis has peaked. Simmons still has tons of untapped potential.

 

no, Sabonis is clearly a better player. Potential means nothing.

 

btw it’s Sabonis that gets better every season, not Simmons.. so save the “potential” talk.

 

Simmons might have more untapped potential BUT hoping he gets his head AND game straight is a huge gamble and if Dame was not wavering on his desire to stay in portland i might be a little more willing to explore a Simmons deal but right now not the time . I am just not sure it's a gamble worth making when the future of Dame is hanging by a thread.

 

I sometimes talk to myself too.... but I don't usually argue with myself.

 

Maybe peaked isn't the right word, but I highly doubt we're going to see any massive improvements from him at this point. Simmons, on the other hand, could take a major leap if he could get his shot figured out.

 

They're both extremely good but nothing about that call is easy. Sabonis can play two positions on the floor and really should be relegated to the 5. He's a great passer, has a good enough handle, can score the basketball at every level (which is huge), defends well and is a helluva rebounder.

Simmons can do everything besides shoot (shooting is a big deal). There's no one in the league including Giannis that can stop any player one on one, 1-5 as well as Simmons can... no one. Simmons is a great ball handler, passer/distributor and rebounder on both ends. When his head isn't fucked (only referring to this last series) he gets to the hole and finishes their as good as anyone in the league. As an athlete it's not even close between Sabonis and Ben... and athleticism still really really matters.

So today, it's not an easy call to make; which one of these guys is better. I think given all of the gifts and skills Simmons has that him developing a reliable shot from both the free throw line and when open from three is only a matter of time... then it will be an easy call to make.

 

sabonis put up jokic-lite numbers last yr btw. 21-12-7 as a 6'11 big man

i love ben simmons, but he will never have the kinda skillset that Sabonis does now. And i think a Dame-Sabonis duo might be better than a Dame-Simmons one.

 

Do people think we are actually going to make a big move this off-season? It's starting to look more and more like we aren't. After the Friday that Lillard met with Olshey and Billups, all the reports have indicated that Lillard is not going to be moved this off-season. Even Woj and Lowe are reporting. So it seems like Billups was able to talk Dame off the ledge and at least move D-Day back towards the trade deadline. That is disappointing because Olshey gets another off-season where he doesn't have to do anything besides tinker around.

Most likely scenario seems to be overpaying Powell, running it back with a slightly better bench, and then seeing how competitive the team is by the trade deadline. Maybe CJ plays well enough to raise his trade value during the first half the season. If they don't look like contenders at that point, I fully expect them to trade RoCo and Nurkic's expiring contracts and also look to move Dame and CJ. Maybe a deal doesn't materialize but both will be moved in the off-season.

Ugh. Maybe the trade market is really terrible for our guys at the moment, and it doesn't sound like Olshey is willing to move future draft equity. Walking the tight-rope to keep his job.

 

if i were KP, i'd build around Sabonis. but KP is erratic seemingly.

They had a ton of injuries last year and a coach who the players got tired of listening to.

 

Dame is the exception. Not the rule.

 

They present different skillsets.

Sabonis isn't an elite defender by any means. Simmons is. They're both good passers. The main difference is that Sabonis is a really good shooter.

 

and he's not mentally broken and would fit in seamlessly without any drama.

And Portland is home for him.

 

A couple weeks ago I posted that this felt a lot like Lucy pulling the football from Charlie Brown. Yes, absolutely expecting nothing major to happen, because that's how Neil rolls. I think we're looking at between now and the draft for something big to happen -- if it does, great. If it doesn't, there's probably a heightened onus on Neil to add an asset or two through the draft, purely to have enough chips to possibly make something happen at the deadline.

In some ways, I don't hate that plan -- especially if Dame is on board. The trade deadline, or prior to it, feels like a good time (but also the last time) to make the "all-in" or "rebuild" decision... You have some hindsight in how this years crop of draft picks are looking while and have had some ability to scout the next class closely, aren't so far down the path that you can't tank and elevate your draft pick or make a move or two happen to go for it. You also have a massive amount of open cap room coming up, expiring contracts of quality players to trade, etc.

 

i wouldn't characterize Dame getting talked off the ledge as "disappointing."