OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. jonnyboy

    jonnyboy Well-Known Member

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    I didn’t sign up for any debates.
     
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    I think I agree with your conclusion before I make maths on it. Can you tell what AU means in AU/mL?
     
  3. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Everyone at the game will be vaccinated or will have had a negative COVID test to enter. But they still have to wear masks.

    So to answer your question of "Had they (gotten vaccinated), we wouldn’t have to wear masks right right""

    My answer is: No. Even if "they" had gotten vaccinated, in all likelihood, they still would force you to wear a mask. Because when they have a situation where its REQUIRED to be vaccinated or have a negative COVID test, they are forcing masks on you still. So I doubt their behavior would change on a larger scale, when they can't even get rid of them on a smaller scale.
     
  4. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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  5. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    @RR7 and I have explained the logic for this above, and it's related to the presence of unvaccinated people (those with a negative test). In the hypothetical @THE HCP presented, those people don't exist, so this situation doesn't apply to that one.
     
  6. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    There will always be unvaccinated people. So there will always be masks in this situation. Whether it be foreigners, illegals, or what not. Even if you comply and everyone is vaccinated, 100% will never be reached and even if it is, there will always be some kind of exception.
     
  7. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    True. The need here (as mentioned above) is to get the vaccination levels to the point where the hospitalization levels in a maskless existence are sustainable. Right now, they're not.

    I believe a maskless existence is feasible, just not with the vaccination levels where they currently are. I also think it's fair to assume that were we still dealing with the original version of this virus rather than the much more aggressive delta variant, we wouldn't be requiring masks right now anyway.
     
  8. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    The best way to do that is to show everyone that vaccinations lead to normalcy. Entire stadiums of masked, fully vaccinated fans isn't the way to do so. It just tells people "even if I get vaxxed, I'll still need to wear a mask, so if masks work, why take the risk of the vaccine?"
     
  9. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    If the stadiums were all fully vaccinated fans, they might all be unmasked. But that's not the case.
     
  10. jonnyboy

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    I don’t recall asking you anything. And I don’t recall asking anyone to single out the Catholic Church specifically. I mentioned religions as a whole in my original post. Your angry, butt hurt rant about the Catholic Church misappropriating covid funds was neat, but had little to do with anything I said, nor did it disprove anything I said. I got the figure I mentioned from a quora column, it may be inaccurate. You’re still welcome to disprove it without whining about other irrelevant shit. I do believe my original point still stands, that was to oppose another poster’s notion that “the most widely practiced religions are inherently exclusive”. The large amount of charitable donations to non-members, whatever that figure may be, doesn’t support that theory.
     
  11. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Fully vaccinated + with recent, negative covid test. That's a barrier to entry and should be good enough.

    I'm guessing the reason they are adding the "negative covid test" provision is a liability shield in case there are lawsuits from getting the vaccine since the manufacturer is shielded.
     
  12. HailBlazers

    HailBlazers RipCity

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    Surely the CDC director wouldn't lie?

     
  13. noknobs

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    You said, "You’re more than welcome to research anything that interests you. If you come up with something that contradicts what I said, feel free to post it." I was curious so I did.

    Okay jonnyboy...
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    To all you people that don't trust the doctors to prevent you from getting it...

    Keep that same energy when you get Covid. Stay your ass at home and don't clog up medical facilities to save you from the disease either.

    Heart and cancer patients are missing their treatments because of you antivaxxers...
     
  15. PtldPlatypus

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    Again, you're (intentionally?) missing the point. The vaccinated can still spread the virus, but if they were only spreading it amongst one another, there would be little to no impact. But with the presence of those negative-tested-unvaccinated folks, now the ability of the vaccinated to transmit the virus from which they're mostly immune is an issue.

    So again, if the stadium's occupants were 100% vaccinated, masks would arguably not be necessary. But they're not, so masks are needed to protect the unvaccinated.
     
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    As has been mentioned, kids aren't eligible for the vaccine.
     
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  17. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Then you don't let them in.
     
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  18. EL PRESIDENTE

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    Why not ban unvaccinated persons then even with a COVID negative test? No exceptions, no kids.

    This will ensure the safest possible scenario, even unmasked and it would encourage vaccinations.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Arbitrary units describing the amount of antibodies in a measure of blood volume. Has to do with IgG count as reference. Effectively, you can consider it as how many antibodies are present.
     
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    You're reading into it what you want. 14% of positive tests in Oregon are vaccinated. If you become infected it doesn't prevent you from transmitting the disease to somebody else.

    But the vaccinated are less likely to become infected.
     
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