OT Healthcare

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  1. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Or corrupt. Yes.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Nobody is advocating for that. You would be paying less.
     
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    Lets put it another way. Most of you who disagree with my opinion would consider the following to be perfectly fine.
    An unvaccinated person should not get help before a vaccinated person if they get covid and meed health care.

    How can this same thought process not be equated to other health risks?

    a person who eats potato chips all day shouldn't get help before someone who eats fruits and vegetables. Or they should pay more.


    If one doesn't agree with that them there is a serious double standard going on.
    Ill just leave it at that.
     
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    lol. Okay.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Not true. Everybody in the company gets the same rate, except they charge less for individuals vs married and families.
     
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    you have yet to prove that. Moving on now.
     
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    your wrong. I compared tow years ago with a coworker who is married without children just like me. The only real difference is they are both smokers. They pay more.
    How is that possible?
     
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    This right here.
    Im done until someone can logically refute this.
     
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    My son is 11, plays sports and is healthy. We are having a blast paying for all of his insulin, supplies, pump, CGM. For a disease he didn’t “deserve” due to lifestyle.
     
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    i clarified above.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    I made a proposal. I showed you the prices included in that proposal. That's proof.
     
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    Can we keep this thread about Covid-19 please?
     
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    OB honestly this is one of those times someone should have an open mind and try to get educated about the issue. Healthcare for everyone isn’t just some socialist handout. It’s life and death, it’s the economy, it’s not just some additional cost - there is so much waste in healthcare and so much abuse of spending/charging, it’s criminal. It needs to be cleaned up and we need healthier people.
     
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    You do know people who are healthy get diabetes, right? My grandfather had it, but he was always in good shape, fought for this country in the war, didn't drink, didn't smoke, didn't sit on the couch eating ice cream and potato chips.

    Again, heartless.
     
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    You're comparing a triage situation with a typical healthcare situation.
    These are not the same. But yes, in an emergency triage situation (meaning not enough care for both) if you have to choose between giving a heart transplant to a 600 lb person and a 180 lb person you would give it to the 180 lb person.

    Completely agree. The operation has a far higher chance of success.

    Just like the unvaccinated are currently CAUSING the shortage of healthcare, choosing to disregard the advice and pleas of healthcare workers, so every person who is following medical advice to limit the shortage should be given a bed, even if that means denying a bed to a person who chose to disregard medical advise until they were on their death bed.

    Absolutely. I'm glad we agree on these points.
     
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    It's possible your employer and their provider have that agreement. I've never taken a survey that included a question about smoking for healthcare, so I assume my company doesn't do that. Or maybe I just don't pay attention since I don't smoke? So I guess I could be misremembering on the smoking point.

    But again, that is somebody choosing to put a known poison into their body. Totally different than somebody with diabetes or who eats unhealthy food that the government subsidizes to make more affordable for the masses (like your potato chip example).

    And again, under my proposal, every American would be paying the same as they are currently paying or less (there would be no premiums).
     
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    At the beginning of Covid's spread, the obesity rate in the United States stood at 42.4%, up from 30.5% just twenty years ago. If the overweight category is included too, the number jumps to a shocking 73.6% of the US population.

    Just this August, JAMA reported that obesity in American children ages 5 to 11 had increased during the pandemic from 36.2% to 45.7%; disturbingly, data was only gathered through January 2021, so the number may be even higher now. When viewed in the light of obesity's proven association with Covid, the consequences of these figures become dire indeed. From a physiological standpoint, it makes sense that the overweight and obese struggle with Covid and the havoc it wreaks on the lungs. Obesity impairs normal respiratory mechanics and is an underlying cause of serious chronic disease, including type 2 diabetes, hypertension, and cardiovascular disease – all of which also correlate with poor outcomes in coronavirus patients.

    The benefits of using the immediacy of the Covid pandemic to address America's obesity problem are clear, but ironically, it almost seems that authority figures, public policies, and social phenomena have actively opposed efforts to stay physically fit.

    Citizens by the millions have been obligated by their governments to stay home, watching streaming services or playing video games, ordering processed, calorie-dense delivery junk food. Months upon months of behavioral habits won't disappear soon or without effort; the obesity rates keep rising. The irony would be almost comical, were the consequences to health and life not so dire. Link
     
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    How is healthcare not related to covid-19? Are you worried that this thread will grow too large?
     
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    Of course. Again. You must have missed the health risk CHOICE i explained.
    Again. Reading comprehension. :)
     
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    What exactly are you referring to here?
     

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