OT Healthcare

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by Phatguysrule, Sep 13, 2021.

  1. Orion Bailey

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    i voted for Obama.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    If you aren't changing the public policy you aren't making a push for a healthier lifestyle. Changing public policy is how you make that push.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    I'd prefer to keep it public so others can chime in with their suggestions (and fact check). That's the great thing about public forums. You can really flesh things out with enough people involved.

    Yes, I miss things on my phone all the time as well.
     
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    Fair enough. Im fine with both. Just not policy before lifestyle. Simultaneous? Okay.
     
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    also fair enough. Sometimes i tire not of others suggestions but snarky hypocritical behavior. Lol. But all good.
    Just keep in mind i may skip some posts and look to come back to them later as to not add to confusion by being hasty and mixing things up like our universal health care vs homeless issue.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I mean that's the whole point of public policy, IMO. To encourage the public to behave in ways beneficial to society.
     
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    I get that as well. I actually feel like this board does a pretty good job of staying in line.
     
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    well forgive me if my faith in government pushed health policies haven't exactly seemed substantiated over the last decade or two. Lol.
     
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    It just seems really difficult to build a tax structure that you're asking for.

    Ok, we all pay a 2% health tax. Then fill out a gigantic form of risk factors to determine where that number shifts up to? How often do we fill out the form? What if I fill out the form at the beginning of the year, but then I become a smoker after, am I obligated to re-file? How many chips are too many chips? Do we regularly get weighed, BMI indexed, etc.? I'm a runner, but I'm often a fair weather runner, so I can say I run, but I get around the holidays, and I become a lazy bum drinking whiskey and over snacking. Tax go up at different intervals?
    On top of that, what sort of things are we including. It's easy to just say smoking and chips as a lazy catch all. But we then need to determine which studies to believe on different levels of anything. Some studies show sitting all day at your job is bad, so those people that choose those jobs get dinged a little bit because of a desk job. Being poor is shown to be a huge factor in stress, stress causes major health issues. Now, you might not choose to be poor, but you made other choices in your life that I guess eventually got you down to being poor. So the stress from being poor actually causes you MORE stress now, because you have to pay even more. Because of your stress. Because you're poor. And now more poor.
    So sitting at a desk is bad, but, being on your feet all day could also lead to back and knee pain. Expensive surgeries later on down the line! I don't want to have to pay for someone else's knees because they chose to have a job where they tried to be healthier by not being at a desk sitting all day, but instead ruined their knees. If you work in an office, you're far more likely to catch a cold there and need to go to the doctor than someone who works from home. SO bonus points for at home workers. Not so much the office workers. Buuuut, there is a health benefit to being socially active. So it's kind of a +1, -1 sort of thing of seeing co-workers each day.
    Damnit, as a runner, I'm trying to be healthy, but also putting that wear on my knees that someone that, say, bikes, does not. -1 for bad running knees.
    I have a friend who is a very active person, white water kayaking and what not. So the activity and exercise, good, but the chosen activities, and the injuries that they lead to...bad.
    I had a sever concussion playing softball a few years back. Do we put playing rec sports on the risk factor? And how do we quantify the risk factors when some people are happy to not run out ground balls, and others like myself are diving in the outfield? Do we fill out on our tax form the different sports we play, and our wiollingness to over exert ourselves playing them? The activity is a health bonus, but I'd say you surely have a much bigger risk of twisting ankles and breaking bones and having sprains playing baseball, basketball, etc. than you do playing video games and eating chips in your basement.
    Andround and round it can go
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Lab work, what a joke.

    We aren't dogs like you. We don't have 'lab work' or 'poodle work', or any of that.

    Besides, what is fetching a stick or slobbering on everyone going to tell a doctor?

    barfo
     
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    If there is anyone here with NO bad habits, raise your paw.
     
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    Gimme a second to set down my whiskey, don't want to risk spilling
     
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    Anyone here is on S2, so that means we all have at least one shit habit.
     
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    Unreal. Truly amazing to me still even after all these years if Trump and QAnon etc. Tucker- one of the most watched “news” personalities is calling out the bravery of…Niki Minaj, rapper, who’s cousins balls blew up from the Covid vaccine. And he’s saying it with a straight face. And millions of Ken’s and Karen’s are at home nodding in agreement.
     
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    It's not government pushed... It's just taxpayer funded. Your doctor and you decide what treatments to get.
     
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    So you want government or a private business to know every risky thing a person does and charge them for it?

    Like a toll to live your life? This sounds incredibly distopian... I'd much prefer we just fund the care people need since every other country who does that has better health outcomes than we do at a fraction of the price.

    You must really love government if you want to give somebody that much control over your life...
     
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    It is extremely rare to have something truly good, also be easy to accomplish.

    and no monitoring is needed. We need to start itemizing our taxation based on nutritional value. We can put extra taxes on some things and reduce taxes on other things. Instead of blanket taxation, we can put added taxes onto skydiving and all that goes along with it. Etc. etc. etc.

    It can be done though.
     
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    But those spending the funds on the ads and what not would likely let thier personal ideals interfere. If its tax payer funded that just means the politicians have those funds to push their narrative?
     
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    But extra taxes on different things is a completely different discussion. Or, rather, a side discussion. The discussion is universal health care. There's again, pretend a generic added tax of 2% of income for healthcare. For everyone.
    Then, you start taxing vices, if so desired. Trying to assess people's risk factors on UHC is futile, IMO, and ultimately is going to penalize the poor.
     
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    No ads. Just healthcare. Your doctor says you need this procedure. You get the procedure. Universal Healthcare pays the doctor and the procedure.

    Done. No ads. Nothing to advertise.
     

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