Fair point, I think there is a big difference still between a total bust top 10 pick who is out of the league as we speak and a Star with a glaring hole in his otherwise stellar game.
so if youre phila gm or owner, you would just let him go for anything theyre waiting for a good trade and simmons should be patient and theres difference between unwillingness to trade him and waiting for a right trade so if dame asked out and phila offered simmons for him, whould you deal him at the very first offer or would you wait to see if theres better return from phila or some other team
Based on the only trade proposals we've heard, Morey is high on his own supply. Also, if Dame wanted out everyone would be gracious all around. Apples to Oranges comparison. Sure they should try for a good offer and that offer is CJ plus a young guy plus a pick. If they aren't willing to do that, well they are morons. If Olshey isn't willing to do that, he should be fired post haste.
yeah, but theyre trying to win the chip and ben simmons is liability on that team, which sounds crazy given his athleticism, defense, playmaking & rebounding, hes an all-star, but that one thing hes missing is costing the team a lot maybe it wouldnt ba such a problem if they had a legit #2, but they dont and hes being paid like a superstar, while not playing like one... as ruthless as phila fans are, i do understand them & i would do the same
No freaking way do you take the first offer for Dame. But if his game went in the tank and he became resentful and wanted to leave you get the best deal you can and move forward. The thing with Simmons and Dame both they both have 4 years left on their contracts and that give the teams leverage. Dame wasn't thrown under the bus by players or coach and he would handle it under the cuff so both team and he could get want they want or close to it. I still think Simmons shows up come start of season with an understanding that by trade deadline he's a goner for a deal isnt so bad for Philly and Ben. Or you fire Rivers and bring in someone that Ben likes.
knowing ben simmons, theres no going back, hes simply a snowflake, a real one would man up, go back and improve his game and won everyone back, thats what real ones do, they rise up to the challenge sadly for phila, they have no leverage in this despite ben simmons being locked long term, they can punish him, but that wont help the team at all and other players in the nba are closely following the situation im sure and if they treat ben simmons poorly, it will ruin their image and thats not good at all, as players wouldnt want to go there... personally, i think phila will fold, but time will tell
I would be more excited if someone ie Klutch were to leak that Ben likes Portland. Afaik he wants the glitter of California
So you've burned McCollum Jersey's and gone ape on him regularly on Twitter etc? Cause if not then you clearly would not do that. McCollum is ALSO grossly overpaid and his lack of defense plus mental mistakes (eg stepping out of bounds on a critical game 5 possession when Lillard was playing out of his mind) is actually even worse than Simmons. As is proven by all playoff stats.
Again, this has been debunked innumerable times. It's a false story traced to a Bay Area guy at the height of GSW's attempt to get Simmons. It's utterly false. At least as many pundits have said their sources say Simmons would play anywhere.
there are certaing things i dont like about cj mccollum (selfishness and no effort on defense) and i hope chauncey billups will change that, at least thats what hes been saying (ball movement & accountability on defense) and all it takes for cj mccollum to make that happen is will, nothing more, but with simmons is different, he needs will to start shooting the ball and he needs to improve his shoot, its much more difficult cj mccollum gets criticized, but hes done nothing like ben simmons, so no-one will go ruthless mode on him
Shooting is by far the most easy to pick up skill. Defense requires extreme commitment and being in shape and to some degree intangibles around anticipation etc that is either instinctive or comes from many, many lived experiences. It also requires lateral quickness, speed and length which aren’t something you can develop. Simmons is absolutely elite at perimeter defending already and will only get better until he loses his quickness. Veterans tend to get better at defense if they work on it due to having seen more game situations, but rarely suddenly become great at it. However, many players including our new coach, became deadly shooters over time, because shooting is mostly mechanics. Shooting is almost all mechanics with a dash of mentality thrown in. Defense is far harder to develop than say a 75% FT% which would make Simmons absolutely deadly. If he developed a 3pt shot and was next to Dame? What’s his ring size?
I’m not sure a Simmons for CJ trade makes Philly better. A Seth Curry and stuff for CJ would make them better sure but if they lose the best defender in the league in a trade for CJ, I don’t see how they get better right away.
I'd love to get Simmons to Portland- but who cares what Nate Jones posts? He was actively campaigning to get Aaron Gordon to Portland. It didn't mean anything....
