Trade Ben Simmons poll

Given what I've seen/heard from Stephen A - I'd say this is a high probability.
I mean there IS a reason he goes by 'Stephen A..'

 

I guess I'm far more interested in shoring up our defense, than trying to improve on our nearly League Best offense. Losing Nurk would be absolutely brutal to our defense.

 

Also thinking of the Klutch connections. Ben/Nurk/Edwards all repped by Rich Paul.

 

Minnesota's entire interest in Simmons is because of his fit with KAT, I don't see any reason they would trade KAT in a deal to get Simmons. Especially not to pair him with Nurkic.

 

It’s my upper limit, but I see it as Five firsts for Simmons AND we keep Lillard. Well worth it for that. Its a super high risk big balls move though hence why I want to cut it down a lot, especially distant 1sts.

 

I’m genuinely curious, it it wasn’t the ATL series, what is it?

 

Ryen Russillo:

"CJ has been on available for Philly for a long time now. How big of a gap is there in their value? CJ has been pretty healthy even if he just turned 30. He's a great shooter, raw stats are good but advanced metrics are good and getting better but not great. Defensively, you might have to worry about him and Curry in the backcourt, but his skills of shooting/ball handling/play-making is something they've not had around Embiid. I don't think it's a terrible deal. Maybe that's what it comes down to to say this what makes the most sense. I don't know ALL that has been talked about... but whenever I think about all these pieces and what I HAVE heard that is rumored, I don't see any better fit than CJ McCollum."

 

As of today all of the Minnesota's "interests" have changed. They just fired their Olshey equivalent both President/GM. So who knows if they even want Simmons, if they're looking to trade KAT. Who knows what their deal is?

 

My idea was based on a premise of KAT wanting out. Obviously, Minny won't deal him unless he wants out as he's their most valuable piece.

Ben and D'Angelo Russell played on the same HS team also and have a longer history than Towns/Ben.

 

Oh, I think with the "wtf" tweet there's a great chance that Towns will want out. I was just saying that any previous rumors out of Minny are now off the table. If we can turn CJ, Nurk and a pick into KAT.

Dame, Norm, RoCo, Nance, KAT, Ant, Snell, Nas and Zeller... holy shit that starting lineup would kill the rest of the league. Also KAT's defense is underrated his advanced metrics are highly affected by the lack of defensive players that have been around him.

 

not really, teams right now all feel good about themselves and are hoping a draft pick or youngster evolves/pop's.
There have been deals proposed but I bet they are mediocre deals not involving an all star. Once the season starts going and there are injuries or teams and teams are a bit more desperate proposals will get better.
Everyone knows Ben's strengths and weakness so his market value doesn't go down once the season takes off.

 

Morey, is that you? There's no fucking way that Morey gains leverage with Simmons sitting. I hear you that theoretically everyone knows the player Ben is but you are discounting how negotiations work. If Simmons is sitting out regular season games his value tanks even more because then the Sixers really have no recourse but to trade him and the last image of him playing is bad... forget what's going on with other teams. I hardly think a significant injury on another team adds value to Simmons unless you think the Sixers are taking back an injured player or a package of prospects and picks. It definitely doesn't logically net them an all star at that point.

 

lolol

 

Yes, I do think they would hold him an entire year if it made sense.

If Philly makes a bad trade, while it might give them more value than Simmons sitting out right now it will basically guarantee they can't contend for a title. Morey is a title or bust GM.

I think Morey would rather hold on to Ben with the idea his trade value could go up or another all star will be available.

Morey and Philly owners aren't emotional in the moment like the Cleveland, Minny, New Orleans owners. They will take a step back now, even for many months, to take a bigger step forward later if that looks like the better avenue to a title.

 

I don't want us to trade for Ben Simmons but it seems inevitable. The sixers were delirious when they wanted Dame, they don't find a better option than CJ

 

Doc Rivers was Simmon's biggest booster. He made one critical remark, which wasn't even that severe, and Simmons had a complete meltdown. How is he going to react the first time a rookie head coach says something he doesn't like? I also question if his bitter dislike of Embiid was really caused by one press conference. I can't help but suspect he was already jealous and resentful of Embiid being the number one guy on the team.

In general, I think his conduct has been thin-skinned and unprofessional. Yes, Embiid was out of line - but that hardly explains the way he turned on the entire team over-night! I have no patience with players who want/need their ego constantly stroked.

Could I be wrong? Sure. But when you combine those concerns with the high acquisition costs - I just don't see it.

 

So you think Morey thinks the best deal he can get is now versus waiting some? Why?
How many Super Stars w/4 years left, that demand trades, are traded right before season starts? not many

 

You're isolating one thing. If Doc has been riding Simmons all season, as he's known to do with players, and says that, then there's a different context. Add to that the rumors about Simmons being unhappy with how he's being utilized. Then take into consideration that before he ever voiced an opinion about getting traded the Sixers were rumored to be trying to trade him for the second straight off season. You've already talked about Ben's relationship with the guy the team obviously values over him. There's a lot going on and I don't think it takes a thin skinned player to want to get away from that, especially one being managed by Klutch.

 

Actually, losing RoCo in a trade would hurt our defense more than losing Nurk. His injury history is pushing him from "building block" to "whatever you get is gravy" status. RoCo is more durable/reliable.

 

No, Morey obviously thinks he can get the same if not better value later but he also seems to think that Simmons will cave and play. Harden's value didn't hold up, it went down and he was playing. The fact is a GM should want to get in front of these situations and Morey just keeps getting further and further behind.

The question of why his value will go down is pretty simple. A player not playing is worth nothing, the Sixers want to win now, so their value for a win now player willing to play for them goes up with every loss.