You're actively supporting servitude of women to men. And you're offended that people are calling you out on it. You don't get to be a father if you can't find a woman who wants to make you one. That's the way it should be. If you don't understand this then you should certainly not be a father. If she wants an abortion and you stop her from getting one you are forcing her to have a baby. Supporting a man forcing a woman to carry a child for him is the kind of shit people post about before shooting up a bunch of massage parlors. It's insane. That you have convinced a woman to give you control over her body is irrelevant. That's her choice. But it should not be enforced by law. And let's be honest, your mother didn't make the best decisions regarding family planning and child rearing. That's not a diss... Mine didn't either. But that's why I don't ask her opinions in the matter. This has been the law here in the US for decades and for good reason. I've posted data showing the impacts of abortion restrictions on crime rates, the increased incidence of mental health problems, and economic distress. The fact that abortion restrictions do not reduce the number of abortions. Rather it just increases the danger in seeking black market abortions which in turn increase the number of injuries, costing the economy even more. This is not based on opinion. It is based on facts. As I've already posted links to that data. https://law.stanford.edu/publicatio...-abortion-on-crime-over-the-last-two-decades/ https://www.americanprogress.org/is...ss-contributes-poor-maternal-health-outcomes/ https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...p-when-procedure-outlawed-it-does-ncna1235174 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-abortion-hardship-idUSKBN1F731Z Though, as with many of our disagreements you choose to ignore the data and facts in favor of opinions that fit your narrative. Unfortunately you're not alone. This is the number one problem in the United States today, and the greatest threat to freedom in this country.
blah blah blah. Go back and read my posts. I said id never vote against abortion. But i hold my opinion that abortion is a cop out and a way to avoid responsibility. Period. Anyone saying it isn't is not all there. There may be valid reasons. Not all abortions are for valid reasons. Stop supporting the acceptance of dumbing our society down. Thats just a recipe for chaos. its okay vote one way but believe in another. I can vote to keep abortion legal because i believe the government should not be involved. I can also be against abortion because its a lack of ownership of ones actions. You are your all or nothing bs, has to be this way period and ONLY this way period, is just bs. So while you think my opinion is despicable, i could care less. I know in my heart abortion is taking the easy road and i wont personally support it. you and a few of the jokester clowns thinking their belittling is funny, will have to deal with it, just as ill just have to deal with your disappointment of my such despicable statements…. Tired of arguing because it costs less and is healthier to the few women who dont want babies, that abortion is good. It is not good. It may be a necessary evil and why i wont vote for it, but you will never get an applause from me for getting an abortion from a pregnancy resulted from a consented relationship. In my opinion, Abortion is wrong. moving on now…
I didn't say abortion was good. I said government should not be involved. It should be a choice. A man should not have any control. Of course he can plead his case, and if she and he are not on the same page she should be allowed (by law) to make her choice. You are free to your opinion. I've stated that. You started claiming that men should get a say. there is no way to do that without forcing pregnancy on women. Your personal beliefs are beside the point. I'm not sure how they ever got involved in a conversation about government policy. If you don't want to discuss the topic at hand you should probably not wade into it.
I think people confuse "pro choice" with "pro abortion". Not only that, I would venture that the # of men who are upset/disagreed with their girlfriends/wife/whatever about having an abortion (in the above scenarios laid out) is very very VERY small. It's creating a false narrative, to try to validate things. And just so someone doesn't have a cow that I'm picking on one side, A: notice I didn't quote anyone and B: false narratives happen on both sides of all arguments.
Abortion rights are all about the few women who don't want babies. And the incredibly negative impacts on them, and society as a whole if those rights are removed. Nobody is advocating for more abortion. Simply the right for a woman to make that decision on her own. In fact, abortion rates have been dropping for decades as access to abortions has increased (via access to reproductive Healthcare). Because the healthcare community understands that birth control is preferable to abortions. So they keep women healthy and in control of their fertility. You're arguing against a made up enemy.
This is interesting. How is advocating for more education of data as well as the scientific method and debate a support of dumbing our society down?
I didn't claim it did. The numbers are a seperate part of the discussion from the morality of government forcing women to continue with unwanted pregnancies. But how does that relate to your claim of dumbing down society?
i entered the conversation very politely, but the reason behind entering was because i got tired of reading several people demean and belittle another person for thier “immoral” stance that abortion is bad. I mean how backwards is that to try to ridicule a person for thinking killing fetus’s is not a good thing? does it matter how he came to this stance? Religion? Internal moral compass? An alien told him so? the level of backwards morally just, chest pounding drew me in. abortion is a large topic and i didn't see any rules set that no comments regarding personal positions should not be included in statements made. Please hand me your rule book so i can nit break your conversational rules. I stated in one of my first posts government shouldn't get involved but men should have a say in the relationship and if wn want equal rights they should consider respecting their partners wishes as well. (Summerized) then Proceeded to get lobbed at by the same people lobbing crap at ABM. Because i didn't 100% agree with you, you and a few others dismissed my statement regarding my thoughts on government involvement, which was part of the conversation, but only focused on my addition to the conversation that included my personal feelings on abortion…. Only AFTER a bunch of belittling, have you come around to saying no one is saying abortion is good. So basically you pretty much agreed with my original statement that abortion is bad, but government shouldn't be involved. So what the hell is all this despicable shit about man? Go back and reread my first post. If it wasnt that one, it was the second, where i clearly said i don't think its the governments place to get involved and id never vote against it abortion Maybe at least give some recognition to that before you just ridicule me for my personal position that i said i would vote against….instead of trying to instantly assert your moral superiority.
If government isn't involved, who is going to prevent women from aborting pregnancies that only the father wants? barfo
So, if a woman is pregnant, and wants to keep the baby, but the father of the child doesn't, who gets to decide about keeping the baby?
i already answered that question of how i believe it should go optimally. I also said i wouldn't enforce what i think it should be, legally. You must have missed it in your haste to play a game of “gotcha”…
No, it doesn't. You are backing up your statement with JustTheFacts which no one has heard of. Sorry Charley, you're going to have to give me a reputable source such as the AMA. You've led people astray before with sources that are not known as credible.
Ok, if there's no enforcement, then the woman decides if you are to be a father or not. What did you mean by 'rights' when you talked about the man having equal rights? barfo
Their immoral stance is that government should be involved, or supporting a politician with that as a part of their policy. That's immoral.
To answer your question, it would depend on how well developed the fetus was inside the woman's egg. I believe the current criteria is the fetus being viable if it were forcibly removed such as in a Cesarean delivery (C-section) or by other means. i.e. Would the child live if born at moment. The U.S. Supreme Court has decided that the moment is at the beginning of the third trimester. Now they want to placate the Trump cult.
