OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

Think of it this way. The unvaccinated are like unwitting suicide bombers. Willing to take me out when someone has an attached suicide vest to their bodies.

 

Its more than just aBout the vax. Is about just about every opinion based ideology.
Just read the threads…the tweets.. etc…

its insufferably obnoxious.

 

Pretty picture. Source?

 

I asked you before, why? What do you know about mRNA and its function? You didn't answer.

 

Who on earth said vaccine would stay in arm and not travel through body? That would be useless. It needs to trigger immune response. Like every other vaccine.
Antivaxxers never say they oppose vaccines generally, just THIS vaccine. This vaccine being any under discussion.

 

I know many union guys that wont get it and they are all dem's. I have both demes and conservatives in my fam that wont get it.

 

You're using blanket data that dont fit most of the nurses i know. So i have better data for you.

Age 18-29

3376 deaths, 7.47 million infections (Undercounted of course because not everyone that gets infected will get tested - but lets use it for this purpose)

thats a risk factor of .004% of death. I know it doesnt fit your narrative, but "follow the science"

 

Ultimately, on this forum, and everywhere else in the public sphere, we've been going at this debate for almost two years (among other divisive topics) and we are where we are. You're not going to change my opinion on mandates (im vaxxed fyi) and I'm not going to change yours. I truly believe that we are heading to a two state solution in this country, where conservatives will continue to migrate to places like Florida/Tennesse/Arizona/Idaho/SC/Texas (to a degree) and Libs will stay or migrate to the coasts.

I'm now fine with that outcome, which sucks for me, because that means i'll have to move my family out at some point from the place ive called home for 33+ years

 

She's not being logical. If she doesn't understand how this works she should probably not be a nurse. I also know a former nurse who is antivax as well. She quit because her job was mandating vaccines (long before Covid). I'm glad she quit and found a different career.

Nurses are not epidemiologists. They are not virologists. They are out of their depth in dealing with pandemics and should be listening to the advise of the professionals.

 

But you don't have to move. You could just be logical... or move to Texas and have your power freeze up.

 

they brought you into this world, so there’s that, for better or worse!

 

That's twice the claimed risk factor of all ages dying from the vaccine. The rates of 18-29 year olds dying from the vaccine is far lower. And on average, every one of those 18-29 year olds who get covid-19 infects multiple other people. Thereby keeping our hospitals full and our front line workers exhausted.

 

How do antivaxxers explain different death and hospitalization rates in highly vaccinated states and low vaccinated states?
And if the pandemic isn't so bad, where did the nearly 700,000 Americans go?

 

But those damn idiotic republicans!!!!

 

Dying with a positive PCR test =/ dying from Covid.

 

Most nurses are basically the technician or operators of the medical world. You dont ask the operator how to fix a diesel engine and you dont ask the technician to develop a white paper. Its not their job, they really know nothing of those subjects but they are educated enough to "know the language" and appear smart to people who are not in that industry. What if my nurse was against something like kidney dialysis because of their "personal beliefs", if I needed kidney dialysis I would not want that nurse anywhere near me.

The death rate of nurses who contract covid is not the point of mandating their vaccintes for hospital staff either. Its the fact that they intimately deal with the most valunerable segment of the population and they have a duty to not be virus vectors for these people.

The obvious compromise here is that all the anti vax medical staff can all quit and form their own anti vax hospitals where the rest of us can all send the anti vax patients. Problem sovled.

 

just rememeber. Its illogical to differentiate opinions from facts!

 

The claim was 1.6% death rate. I show a .004 death rate for 18-29 (and that's overrepresented like I explained).

So its a risk assessment that should come down to personal freedom. So then the argument will be made, that they work with others that have a higher death rate, which is true, however, just because you get vaccinated, doesn't mean you can't spread covid.

So again, here are the facts

1) They are making a personal risk assessment that they would rather not put something in their body that would potentially marginally help them (so would something like the flu vaccine, but we wont get into that argument)
2) They can infect others by not getting the vaccine, but they can just as easily infect them WITH the vaccine. So really, it only potentially helps there own PERSONAL outcome, not the outcomes of others.

Then the argument will be made that it doesn't stay in a vax person's system as long. Sure, not two weeks, but still several days. And for a healthcare worker, at most they are taking 2-3 days off in a row, so therefore, they can easily infect even by being vaxed.

But once again, this is my rationale and logic, and I think its unbiased, but I will never convince others who don't want to hear it to begin with