OT Canzano: NASCAR to Portland is a win for the sports scene and city

But it is not driving in circles, it is providing entertainment to millions around the world. In the grand scheme of things, moving the cars to the different tracks (just like shuttling NBA teams around the country) wastes way more energy than the event itself.

You people are arguing about the wrong thing. There is always a cost for anything, you just choose to concentrate on the small visible cost and avoid the hidden big costs. If you enjoy NBA competition, moving around 30 teams for 82 games and countless people for scouting is going to be more expensive than moving 17 NASCAR teams for 36 races.

A NASCAR race consumes 6,000 gallons of fuel. A flight from New York to California consumes 5,755 gallons of fuel. You are concentrating on the wrong things.

 

No I didn't get to that one. I did do the small miniature Indy Cars in Beaverton. That was pretty cool.

 

Malibu Grand Prix. That was it. I liked it but of course it was just timed and you were not really racing anything other than the clock. Skycart is much more fun for sure.

 

You could make the same point about the NBA. Teams fly around the country in big, jet fuel guzzling planes and the guys run around the court wasting energy that could be put to use doing manual labor. It would be a pretty boring world if every single thing was done only for practical purposes.

 

That's a stretch.....burning up hundreds of rubber tires for entertainment doesn't quite compare to wearing out tennis shoes and basketballs but if the people are running around the track I can enjoy it more than when the car does it...personal choice, plus....I LIKE BASKETBALL! I am OCD about my own carbon footprint though..admittedly....(corrected my fossil fuel mistake)

 

Jet fuel produces more co2 per gallon that automotive fuel. You are way off in your estimates for the harm done by flights.

 

Sorry, but jet fuel is very much a fossil fuel, it’s refined from crude oil. I’m much more of a basketball fan and am not much impressed by NASCAR, but neither one is a green industry.

https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/ToxProfiles/tp76-c4.pdf

 

I said it before, racing can be a great research vehicle for environmental studies that is subsidized by entertainment.

A normal car's engine has 30% thermal efficiency. Formula 1 in 2014 had 44% thermal efficiency, the latest engines (2021) have 50% thermal efficiency. This is all research that will trickle down to the mass market. Formula-E is the highest form of EV only racing and it is in a very early stage, but it already has gone through a full redesign with the improvements of batteries and thermal management - and some of this stuff will trickle down as well.

 

Jet fuel is pretty much Diesel bro.
Good thing is they are trying to make more of it from vegetable oils. But as it stands it's fossil fuel.

 

I don't think I said there was no harm from jet fuel....I just thought was surface compost and not petroleum based fuel from oil...I'm probably wrong about that but I'll look into it ...I thought it was more like a methane which is also terrible for the environment but much easier to harvest and refine...so my homework is whether jet fuel is plant compost based or subsurface fossil based I guess...
And after looking it up it is petroleum based...much like kerosene...learned something...I'll eat my crow now!

 

F#$@ you guys will argue about anything.

 

No they’re not.

 

You better not drive a car to go to a Blazer game then. How dare you accelerate the destruction of our planet for your own entertainment and waste fuel.

 

What tracks in Roseburg or Medford do they have that's like PIR?

 

It's a simple math equation. The people who drive to Nascar cancel out the people who drive to blazer games. The blazers playing basketball don't cancel out the Nascar vehicles operating for hours.

 

I asked you what you thought was the percent of usage. Then posted a link detailing the environmental impact of nascar. I don't think it is what you think it is.