Trade Ben Simmons poll

haha the optimism…I respect it.
But that is incorrect. Nance is not a 3 and shouldn’t play 3

 

Exactly! If the idea is to improve the defense the way to do it is to add Simmons to RoCo.

 

Pacers just made a minor deal to get more room under the tax. I know that ownership group has never had interest in paying tax. Wonder if its Ben related

 

DON'T TRY TO UNDERSTAND DARYL! His brain is too large for us humans to fathom.

Also, remember RoCo cost us two first rounders that turned into very decent players, so I'm pretty sure Olshey is reluctant to part with him.

I think Olshey was hoping Morey would've taken Nas by now, which is why Quick was told Nas was the best player in camp. But now games have actually started and the cat's out of the bag.

 

I'm on the poll question that started this thread saying CJ and RoCo is what I'd be willing to give up but when someone posts that the rumor is that Olshey and Morey are arguing over which one of them should have to give up additional assets after CJ and Simmons, it makes me think we could get away with CJ, Nas and a first. The fact is if RoCo goes out, it would only make sense for Thybulle to come back which I'll take... we'd be looking at a lot of rotating PF duties between Simmons and Nance but I'd be willing to make that shit work. I just don't know if we have to.

The other thing about this if it drags out is Nance. We might ship that dude out as fast as he came in. CJ and Nance for Simmons and lets say Paul Reed would work in a few weeks.

My thing is if I can get a starting lineup of Dame, Norm, either RoCo or Nance, Simmons and Nurk with Ant, Nas, Snell and Zeller coming off the bench, I know that team is way better than what we have right now... if I can keep Nance on the bench instead of Nas, I'd love that.

Seriously people that don't want Simmons are not thinking about how great of a defender he is, how huge and freakishly athletic he is, how well he finishes at the hoop, how good his handle is and how good of a passer he is. There is no one on this roster after Dame that is in the same universe as Simmons is as a game changer that's why he's a three time all star, two time all defense and one time all nba player. Olshey needs to do what he has to and get the deal done.

 

Nance can't defend the 3?!? You're kidding right? The guy is quick and smart, he can (as he just said in an interview) defend the 3, 4 or 5 easily. So the guy could play forward with Simmons who has played every position on the court. Dame, Norm, Simmons (if you can't handle Nance at the 3), Nance and Nurk is a much better starting lineup defensively than what we're putting out there right now with the 6'3" Norm playing SF for us.

 

If I'm Simmons, and I can handle the heat (a major if), I simply report and completely sandbag it. Frankly, causing a major stink on the scene would get him out Philly faster, and with his money... as he technically wouldn't be breaching his contract,

And if I'm Philly, at this point, I'd almost be more apprehensive of Simmons actually returning (and the far worse distraction that would cause).

 

That’s pretty much what Harden did to get out of Houston.

 

Then play Simmons at 3. Does it matter?

 

mmm no but you said play nance at the 3 ‍♂️

 

Wouldn't have to wait 60 days from when we acquired Larry to trade him?

 

Yep, that'll be a few weeks from now.

 

Because the two big holdouts they had before were against the Cavs while buddy LeBron was there. They asaume it would be similar to Tristan Thompson or JR Smith getting fat checks.

Morey and Philly are idiots. But in glad to See Rich Paul and clutch fail at this.

 

I wouldnt want to give up RoCo in a Simmons trade, Id rather give up Ant or Naz if the only way to get him was adding another player to CJ. Sure it would be best to just do a straight across trade for CJ. If RoCo is better at three (I think its his natural position) it would be nice to have a power forward that is taller than 6'7 that can get comfortable down low on both ends. RoCo isnt real comfortable down low on offense but decent on defense. We need a weapon at the power forward position now that Nurk will play more high post.

 

Just listened to it, from the context of Marks' comments, it didn't sound like a legit negotiation between Olshey/Morey. Moreso just these two (Marks/Lowe) riffing about potential trade values. But my takeaway was Lowe calling a Simmons-CJ swap "obvious," and the discussing the basketball merits of the fit for both teams. Even on the Bill Simmons pod today, the first idea mentioned was the "obvious" swap for CJ. Hell, a few months back even CJ addressed it because of the fit for both teams and the similar salaries.

All this talk in the media, but hardly any mentions of Portland when rumors are discussed, only ideas. People are running all over the place with this Indiana news the past few days, after everyone was going gaga over Minnesota/Cleveland/San Antonio. Just crazy how the "obvious" partner is never actually rumored.

 

That's because most people who understand basketball are smarter than Neil or Morey.

 

the last few times I've read about Simmons rumors, the Blazers are hardly mentioned. If they are it just seems like recycled rumors from months ago

I'm inclined to think it's because Morey is insane, AND, Olshey has never really offered a one-for-on trade with the possibility of adding something on Portland's end. Yeah, that could be my anti-Olshey bias but I just don't believe that one report that said there was a standing offer of CJ for Simmons

it also could be that Morey just doesn't think CJ is good enough to be anything more than be a downgrade for Simmons; which makes sense

I'm also thinking that Morey is now determined to make Simmons capitulate and show up so it looks like Morey won the stare-down

 

I don't agree. If we got Simmons I can't see RoCo playing alongside him. Roco is limited on offense IMO. And we have Nance to back up Simmons.
And if we lose CJ we will need Simons's 3pt shooting. And I am not ready to give up on Nas because his first preseason game sucked.
I like RoCo but I don't think he fits alongside Simmons.

 

wow...I think RoCo and Simmons would fit really well as the starting forwards, especially on defense

right now, I'd be willing to give up CJ + one of Nas/Simons + a 1st for Simmons; but not RoCo

 

So you think a Norm, RoCo, Nurk, and Simmons lineup is enough offense to help Dame? That would be fewer shooters surrounding Simmons than he had in Philly.