OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

People keep using that argument. The point, the obvious point, is that it lowers the likely-hood of you getting infected in the first place by a factor of five, so therefore the chance you spread it to others is similarly reduced. Not to mention the length of time you're contagious is shorter.

Beyond the idiotic opinion that it's nothing more than a worldwide medical experiment, are you not aware of the many vaccinations you received as a child (with medical exceptions) before you could attend public school in the US, etc? And I think there are around 14 different vaccines for different diseases required for US immigration.

Just repeating myself from earlier in the thread - at the moment about 13.3% of the population has had Covid and about .2% of the population has died. That means that if you get Covid in the US, there's about a 1.6% chance you'll die.

That may not seem like a big number until you compare it to how rare it is to get severe adverse reactions from the vaccine itself. .007% get hospitalized and .002% die.

No vaccine is 100% effective. But it's painfully obvious that if you're not afraid about getting hospitalized or dying from COVID itself, then you shouldn't be at all worried about getting hospitalized or dying from the vaccine. That's why other peoples fears are "better" than yours.

People keep using this "logic". No vaccine is 100% effective so simply having the vaccine doesn't make you immune around people who are infected. It lowers the likely-hood of you getting it but it's easy to understand why some still are wary of being around those who are unvaccinated.

Then there's the argument that if you've had the virus and have natural anti-bodies, at least for a while, then why do I need the vaccine? Because it only serves to boost the effectiveness. CDC has studies that show if you've had COVID and get the vaccine, you're twice as protected as somebody who's had COVID and doesn't get the vaccine.

One doctor I read puts it this way - "Getting COVID is a different immune response than getting the vaccine. So when you get the vaccine, you have only made antibodies to the spike protein, because that's the only part of the virus that you've seen. When you get COVID, you actually make antibodies to every part of the virus, including the nucleocapsid, it's called, as well as the spike protein. So you have polyclonal antibodies, many different types. Now that is good, in a way, but the bad thing about that is that they're not as good as neutralizing the virus. So when we look in the lab, those antibodies don't work as well to neutralize the virus. So that is why that vaccine really helps to boost those neutralizing antibodies."

Only a fool thinks the issue of freedom is that black and white, that it means you can just do whatever you want in this country with zero consequences.

I think I'm against a nation-wide vaccination mandate, but I'm for it when it comes to certain groups- teachers, caregivers for the elderly, hospital staff, as a few examples.

That said, if you choose not to I think you're just being unreasonable and selfish and I have no problem with you then having to face restrictions- companies have every right to enforce their own rules when it comes to protecting the health of their employees and customers.

It just seems like a certain demographic are refusing solely because "the man" wants them to, or because they've bought into some bizarre conspiracy theory like it's just a medical experiment, or because of political reasons which is just stupid. There's a vaccine that is safe and readily available to you, it's free, it's recommended by the Center for Disease Control, approved by the FDA, greatly reduces the chance of infection, hospitalization and death. The downside is so rare it's negligible, and the upside can save serious illnesses and even death, not just to you but to those around you.

So just get the fucking shot...

 

Do African Americans next.

Are they all Trumpets too?

 

I didn't see you refuting the premise.

But since you asked, the article I linked is a multivariate regression analysis, of which race was one of the variables they actually studied, in addition to political affiliation, education, etc. Given all that, they found that the greatest correlation with COVID cases was with the person they voted for. They even addressed the high incidence of cases among the Black population but attributed the differences due to socioeconomics and education moreso than political affiliation.

 

Saying Black people are too poor and unintelligent to get vaccinated isn’t a very redeeming point, especially when there isn’t data to correlate it.

 

im talking about Covid cases, as the article was mentioning. Not vaccination rates. Feel free to click on the link. It's OK to learn from places other than Facebook.

 

Also, since you want to insist on the strawman:

There's a very obvious hesitancy among the Black population towards getting the vaccine vs other races, but political affiliation is still the more substantial covariate.

https://www.vox.com/22587443/covid-19-vaccine-refusal-hesitancy-variant-delta-cases-rate

Some distinct patterns have emerged. “The most obvious and blatant, and the one I’ve got the most attention for, is the partisan link,” said Charles Gaba, a health care data analyst who has made several charts tracking vaccination that have been widely shared across social media.

Regions where large majorities backed Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election have far lower vaccination rates than people in areas that voted for Joe Biden. The effect is visible at the state level and the county level, and it scales with the share of the vote. Almost all US counties below 20 percent vaccination rates lean Republican, and almost all above 65 percent lean Democratic.

But there are other fault lines as well. “There have really been persistent gaps between white people compared to Black and Hispanic people, with Black and Hispanic rates lagging behind pretty consistently across states,” said Samantha Artiga, vice president and director of racial equity and health policy at the Kaiser Family Foundation.

 

More to support this claim: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/briefing/covid-red-states-vaccinations.html

 

my favorite strawman example would be that no brothel would allow a patron to use their services without a condom...sort of like vaccine mandates...it's in place to protect the business. You don't wear a condom? Go jerk yourself off

 

I would much rather jerk myself off than go to a brothel. Just sayin'.

 

@noknobs your premise is way off.

35% of 330M Americans Covid-infected, says CDC (March 2021). Before the highly infectious delta.

 

I wasn’t talking about either to begin with, you’re the one who hijacked the argument and made it about cases. I was talking about people’s opinions on the matter and nothing more. I’ve never had a Facebook page.

 

that's safe sex.....sex in a bubble

 

Doesnt that condescension just get soooo old?
Why that last sentence had to be added….

its like no one here can discuss anything without trying to put the other person down.

 

and yet again you seem to be obsessed with the way i post. why you still dont ignore me... i have no idea. you never seem to actually respond to anything i say-- only these drive by comments on how i post.

 

how was that hijacking? you said it wasn't political. it very clearly is on every aspect.

 

Thanks for that, I was going off of reported cases. If you want to go based off of what researchers think has gone unreported, then lets use 40%. I think that makes it roughly .5% chance of dying if you have it? That's still 268.5 times higher than deaths due directly to the vaccine, so I don't believe that destroys my premise at all? It definitely doesn't effect the point I was trying to make, which is if you're not scared of dying from COVID you shouldn't be afraid of dying from the vaccine.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/mississippi-news-anchor-off-air-003127915.html

A Mississippi news anchor is off the air after refusing a coronavirus vaccine

 

You need to accept that there are folks everywhere that are going to follow their own narrative rather than science, and won’t bother to read data you provide or click informative links. They have already made up their mind that they are correct no matter what evidence you can provide and stubbornly want to die on their own sword.

 

I'm a little offended you've decided to ignore my post...
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/co...ad-and-counting.354912/page-1115#post-5240592