OT Passengers On Pennsylvania Train Watch Woman Get Raped, Do Nothing

I'm not saying you were/are wrong my man. I'm just saying that I think an argument can be made for both sides. I have a family. I have a daughter. On the one hand, I would like to think that I would step up like you did, but on the other I have to think about all the angles because I can't die protecting a stranger and leave my kid to grow up without a father.

 

I have to say it..... every one of the situations in this thread would have been stopped by someone with a gun.

Chris wouldn't have been stabbed. He would have maybe had to shoot a guy, but he wouldn't have been stabbed.

The lady above would not have been raped.

The people on that MAX train would not have been killed.

A responsible gun owner who is legally carrying could have prevented all of those stories from happening. With that said, I have had a concealed carry license but I did not really enjoy carrying. I don't like the potential for things to go badly in a different direction. But had there been someone carrying in those situations, it's very possible they could have gone another way.

 

No gun needed. Just a damn phone. Call 911. Trains all have emergency pull or button. Don't have to physically tackle the asshole.

 

But that doesn’t stop it from happening and in Portland the cops might not respond for an hour.

 

Damn. I knew you were badass but not batman level. Respect.

 

A possibility none of you are going to like is that there were men who did nothing because they were enjoying it. I am not one of those who say all porn is rape but there is a sizable genre of rape born and it wouldn't exist if men didn't get off watching women be violated.

 

Im watching game of thrones for the second time. And though i know its nonfiction fantasy.
The one disgusting thing aBout it is how the women are treated, pawned off like slaves.

I cant help but think of some of the things ive read you post, when watching some scenes.
And then i think, my God… men are just filthy disgusting.

The only solace i have is i know I'm not like them, so not all men can be the same.

More of my kind MUST step up in situations like what @Chris Craig did, or like when i put my safety aside and rushed into a brawl to get a girl getting stomped on, out of it.

The key in life, is trying to maintain an impartial judgement, regardless of history and a growing jaded feeling against a sect of people.

many many men can def. Be pure evil though.

My mother was trapped into abusive relationships for a long ling time. Attracted to guys that beat her.
Why? (Shes never been able to answer. )
What drives some women to these types of men?
Im not saying the woman, my mom, is at all to blame, but, when men see this, it helps justify their treatment of women.

“ see? She keeps coming back. She likes it!”

i know this isn't true. But….evil men will ride that thought to their grave.

 

You know, I thought of that. Was even going to make a joke about it, but thought it would've been in poor taste (even for me!).

So they were cowards, reprobates, or both. Either way, not a good look for them. Disgusting.

 

I had a close friend that I completely broke friendship with after we found out he was regularly physically abusive to his wife. Dude hid it really well for years, until one day it got so bad that his wife had to call the police and told them of his history of violence towards her. Only dirtbags hit women and children.

 

couldnt agree more.

For me its not even a thought to put my life at risk to intervene seeing something like that.
When one witnesses thier mother running naked out to and down the street, being chased by a naked step father with a bat at 2am, it can stick with you.

As a 9 year old i was helpless. As an adult i will never not help.

my only fear is my anger towards the man makes me do worse than is needed to stop the situation.
That fear would never stop me from interfering though. But the rage i have felt, would feel, i know i could go red if dude is not 100% compliant when i intervene, and believes he is within his rights to commit such acts.

Worked up a bit now just thinking about things in detail. Lol.
If there is anything ill swing hastily for, Its to protect an innocent during an attack.

animals, women, chidren, elderly… attacks on these people/living things, get the blood pumping in me like little else.

 

Preferably, apply a chokehold and let him take a quick nap. I once soccer kicked a dude in the head. At that moment dude definitely deserved to get his ass beaten badly, but I regretted putting him in the hospital for two months.

Maybe. But for sure @EL PRESIDENTE's katana wielding skills would've saved the day!

 

Huh?

 

It would be nice if one of our options were to only arm good responsible people. Every situation also becomes expontially worse when the bad guy in the story has the gun, even if the good guy gets a gun also.

 

More guns usually spells more trouble. One only has to look at the Wild Wild West for an empirical example. Best to call the police unless you know you can avert a serious problem.

 

stricter screening of gun license applicants.
However, freedoms and rights always come with a downside.
Porn is the inevitable byproduct of freedom of press. Racist rallies are the inevitable byproduct of freedom of speech.
mass shootings and murder with firearms is the inevitable byproduct of the right to bare arms.

This right was created so the people have the ability to defend and rise up against a tyrannical government. Having just declared freedom from an overwhelming British suppression of the people, where their citizens were unable to take up arms against thier rulers back home, this was felt as an unequivocal necessity to ensure the people never lost such abilities again.

Without this right, a civil rebellion can never take place if our government turns on us.

there are millions of quality gun owners in this country we never hear about. If aNd when the time comes, we will regret taking their guns away because of some lunatics.

guns don't kill people. People kill people. Taking guns aWay from legal owners, diminishes guns owned by the good people while the bad people still have them.

 

Agree 100%

 

We do have that option. And we could institute it tomorrow.

Make it a felony to sell, or in any way provide a gun to anybody who has proven not be good or responsible enough to be armed. And anybody who cannot prove it.

You would prove it by marking the ID (drivers license, state ID, passport... Whatever official ID they have) of every person deemed to be unfit.

So currently that would exclude felons and some other people.

If you are found to have supplied one of these people with a weapon you get your very own ID weapons restriction (as well as a felony and possibly jail time).

Every state already has this capability. There is no database of gun owners, which is a huge point of contention for gun rights advocates and the NRA, and you no longer have to fill out background checks or rely on a potentially flawed background check system.

 

It's a good point, but I have trouble with believing that. Maybe fewer than 10%. I'd like to think closer to 1% might have enjoyed it more than they wanted it to stop.

I don't think most men have the rape kink.

I have to think most of them were just cowards.

 

Portland or many other cities.

20 years ago it would take police 30 minutes to get to Hogan road just outside of Gresham.

Police aren't here to prevent crime. They are here to document it after the fact.